New found respect for Brinks

by **lockedin** » 18 Apr 2006 15:36

Wow... that's ugly. Now I know why it has been giving me so much trouble :roll:

What a great buy; with its shrouded shackle and greater numbers of security pins it definitely beats the R70 in terms of the best lock around $10.

by **pinsetter** » 18 Apr 2006 15:53

yeah, when I read about the shrouded Brinks padlock I thought people were talking about the R70, so that's what I bought. Now I realize that picking the R70, which gave me fits for a couple of days, is like only picking 2/3 of that lock.
I can't wait till payday! I gotta have one of those now!

by **LockNewbie21** » 18 Apr 2006 16:25

Go for it buddy i have to, as far as confidence, well seeing them pins really give a boast, now you know what your up agaisnt, when you get it and pop it for the first time post. Once again thanks for granting my pic request them those things are evil!

Andy

by **jimb** » 18 Apr 2006 18:38

Here's the key, it looks like the Rocky Mountain horizon :shock:

by **pinsetter** » 18 Apr 2006 19:34

oooooh, those two high pins in the center behind the extremely low one, now that looks VERY challenging to pick when combined with those pins!

jimb, did you successfully pick that lock and if so, how long did it take you?
I'm just curious.

by **jimb** » 19 Apr 2006 7:42

pinsetter wrote:jimb, did you successfully pick that lock and if so, how long did it take you?
I'm just curious.

Nope

by **pinsetter** » 19 Apr 2006 8:40

Heh, with that key cut and those pins I can understand why. Of the 6 pins three are high pins behind low ones, which is a tricky cut in itself without the added headache of 10 security pins out of 12.

Heck, I have a lock made by WB that has 5 pin stacks and no security pins and I still haven't been able to open it. It has Hi-Low pin configuration and for some reason there is 1 pin stack that just refuses to bind. Anyone know why that could be? It is the first stack (the one you can look in the keyway and see) that will never bind. I feel all the rest of them appear to set, but get no plug movement and no binding on that front stack. Any ideas?

by **LockNewbie21** » 20 Apr 2006 1:41

I have picked one exactly like it, not bragging because it gave me a struggle, so i put it in terms i tried for about 3 hours, not straight but just about an hour or a lil more a try then finnaly got the rhythm to open it consistantly. I have another that has a key i am guessing this now but it goes 343234, so it is not challenging it most cases but preped me for a horrbile key pattern. For anyone expiernced with American locks, as i know there jam packed with serrated pins, how would this brinks lock campare as in diffuculty, considering both were 6 pin locks.

Andy

by **pinsetter** » 27 Apr 2006 20:19

Well, I just bought the Brinks 6 pin shrouded lock tonight. I was actually expecting more of a challenge. I opened it for the first time in 9 minutes by single pin picking. I'd say it could be done much quicker by raking first followed by pin picking. I picked it with the tools in this picture. In this picture you can see a detailed bitting of the key.
Was 9 minutes ok for a first opening of this lock?

by **illusion** » 27 Apr 2006 20:24

The biting is not really nasty, but certainly not simple.

Does the shrouded version have the crazy bottom and top security pins?

9 minutes would seem okay for a new lock, is this time consistent?

I like your h-diamiond pick

by **pinsetter** » 27 Apr 2006 21:15

I haven't tried it again yet, but I'm sure I can open it again about as quickly. It is really obvious when the spool pins reach false set in the actual spool cuts, and getting a true set from there is not real hard.

Notice that I'm using a very short tension wrench with the security pins. I actually use my thumb for tension and just basically lay it on the white knob. This keeps me from putting too much torque on the plug. This lock also had the AM4 keyway, so it was a bit tight, but with my small tension wrench I still have plenty of room to work. If you look close at the AM4 keyway, if you use a very small tension wrench, the very center of the keyway between the wards is wide open, it even leaves room for my larger half diamond.

Since you liked my pick, here's a picture of the set I'm making. I still have to put handles on the 5 in the bottom left of the picture. I'm not sure how many I'll end up with. I'm making all of them out of those steel strips from wiper blade inserts, and using paint stirring paddles for laminated wood handles. The picks are very sensitive feeling with the insert laminated in a perfectly sized groove in the light wood handles.

Oh, and here's a picture of that tension wrench in my hand to give an idea of how small it is. It really helps to keep from over doing it. :wink:

by **sams choice** » 27 Apr 2006 22:26

illusion, it does have bottem and top security pins. I got mine open a while ago and it took me a pretty long time. It took me to mess with it for about 15 minutes straight. Now it is down to about a minute. I have trouble with this lock...

by **pinsetter** » 27 Apr 2006 23:52

The second time opening my time was up a bit. Took me 12.5 minutes the second time.

by **LockNewbie21** » 28 Apr 2006 7:03

Good job pin setter beat my first time

Yea false sets a breeze on these, and once you get the hang of it its not really hard good job man

Andy

by **pinsetter** » 28 Apr 2006 9:12

Thanks!

The third opening was just a hair over 7 minutes, so I think I can safely say I'm consistent in this time range.

Someone else on this site (illusion?....maybe) preaches the importance of tension with these type of pins and I'll re-iterate it again. You have to use SUPER LIGHT tension or you're just gonna get a false set and have everything bound up in there. The plug in my lock turns SUPER easy, so I even had to literally push the tension wrench the opposite way of the false set a couple of times to align it so I could push the spool pins through. I guess I'm saying that the spring on the plug is VERY light....totally the opposite of the R70. Even though the R70 and 6 pin shrouded are both made by Brinks, and both are "supposed" to be high security, it takes two entirely different techniques to open them. On these 6 pin locks you want light tension the entire time you're picking. I like to use just enough pressure that the spool pins can move the tension wrench as they press through into the upper pin chambers while still just barely keeping them bound.

Still, no matter how many times it's explained each individual picker has to develop the "feel" for it!

New found respect for Brinks

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