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Postby eric343 » 20 Apr 2006 22:35

hornetdt wrote:I guess there is a certain logic behind not continuing the use of that kind of lock. If you think about it, why would you want to know if someone was trying to get through your lock? If they couldn't do it, then your lock is fine, no need to upgrade it. On the other hand, if someone was successful in the defeat of a lock, you will definitely know about it, you don't need a lever to tell you.


Another point of the "detector" technology was that it immobilized the bolt, making picking a pain in the rear end :)

LSS says that the Detector required a special key to reset the lock (14_1.2.3). Later on, it suggests that a picker could do the same -- "If the tumblers are lifted too high, they will detained or detected in that position, and the operator will have to release them by turning the bit round in the opposite direction before he can begin his work again" (LSS+ v5, Locks and Safes: The Construction of Locks).

It was eventually picked. A.C. Hobbs opened it in 25 minutes at the Great Exhibition of 1851, without disturbing the detector. (LSS+ v5, SS:TCL) LSS seems to suggest that he used the first 2 in 1 pick to do it.

He went on to pick the Bramah lock at that same exhibition.

If you're into lock history, get a copy of LSS+ (the electronic version, not the book). The additional "bonus" materials include two different books on lock and safe history, one written by George Price and the other drawn from the papers of none other than A.C. Hobbs. Both have been updated by Marc Tobias.
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Postby hornetdt » 21 Apr 2006 1:48

Wow, thanks a ton, that was a great post. Kudos to you. I'll definitely check that out when exams end here. Hmmm, took an expert 25 min. to pick, not bad for an old lock. I'd like to see his time on a medeco or primus.
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Postby n2oah » 21 Apr 2006 17:10

hornetdt wrote:Hmmm, took an expert 25 min. to pick, not bad for an old lock. I'd like to see his time on a medeco or primus.


It wasn't an "old" lock at the time. He picked it in 1851. Medecos and Primus locks were not back then.
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Postby illusion » 21 Apr 2006 17:18

Some of the 'old' locks are very well designed and would still be a challenge today. Some of the old lever locks are crazy in their design. Also locks like Bramah, which have remained relatively the same, and are still insurance rated!

Old doesn't mean less security always.

Then again - people are picking Medeco locks so they are not locks of gods.
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Postby dazza » 21 Apr 2006 18:20

hornetdt wrote:I guess there is a certain logic behind not continuing the use of that kind of lock. If you think about it, why would you want to know if someone was trying to get through your lock? If they couldn't do it, then your lock is fine, no need to upgrade it. On the other hand, if someone was successful in the defeat of a lock,


HI

I think it would good because if you come home or to business and the lock was set. you would know that someone was trying to get in then you could put more security on your home or business inside and out.
imagine if you had the detector on the modern lever locks today you could tell the customer that the lock can even tell you if someone has tried to opened it. i think you would sell a lot because of security and peace of mind.
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Postby greyman » 25 Apr 2006 8:37

In the UK, detector locks were made by John Tann up till the 1970's I believe. I have a few photos of these in my book (still trying to find a publisher for it!)

Eric - I'm not sure if Tobias says this, but in Price's book, the original Chubb detector lock needed a special key to reset it. This was later changed to enable the operating key to reset the detector lever when turned in the locking direction.

The MLA in Australia put out a lock called the Binary Plus which has pins that operate like in a detector lock - there is a C-shaped wire that catches the pins if you overlift them. Check out:
http://www.metrolocks.com.au/master.html
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