Boltwork?

[mh]

Hi,

While his question is about safes, it's not about opening them without the key or combination, so I hope it can stay here...


Here's my problem:
I have a small (German) safe with a lever lock that connects directly to the bolts. One full turn of the key moves the bolts by about 1 inch.

Now I would like to convert it, using an electronic combination lock. I acquired an (American) LaGard 'deadbolt' lock, which should have a similar functionality - yet the 'deadbolt' only moves by about 1/3 inch!

Now - I doubt that these locks are used to directly drive bolts (except for maybe in a small key cabinet or locker or something like that.)

So my question is: How are American safes built with respect to the lock-bolt connection? Can you point me to some picture or drawing that would help me to make something similar myself? Maybe using a lever to translate the small movement of the lock's deadbolt to a larger movement of the safe's bolts?

Thanks,
mh

[maxxed]

This could ba a lot of work. This type of combination is usually used to block a mechanism not to drive it.

[TOWCH]

If I were doing it, I wouldn't operate the boltwork with the lock. I would convert the key lock to a handle, and would make the lock an obstruction to the bolt work.

[HeadHunterCEO]

alright lets have a pic of your boltwork in the door

[mh]

Well, LaGard makes 'deadbolt' locks like this http://www.lagard.com/pages/index.asp?a ... oduct&id=7
which they call 'direct drive'.
And because they also make 'swingbolt' locks that are ideal for blocking a handle, I assumed that their 'direct drive' locks are good for directly driving the bolts.

About my lock: It's a SECU 1000, as shown here: http://www.secu-gmbh.de/Files/S1000-Bes ... glisch.pdf

The bolts are mounted on a metal frame that is screwed to the 2 holes you can see in the left of that picture.

[raimundo]

a typical safe will have a handle, this connects to left and right and up and down bolts and it will pull them all in simultaneously when the handle is turned, the short throw bolt on the lock is what is stopping the boltworks from operating. So no the bolt does not go into the doorframe or whatever you call that part of the safe, it just controls the bolts which are operated by the handle.

[Varjeal]

Electronic combo locks are generally NOT designed to directly operate the linkage of a safe due to the rather fragile parts that operate the bolt. The bolt is designed, as mentioned earlier, to block the operation of the linkage.

I think that's as far as this particular discussion can go in the public forums, hope that helps.