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by n2oah » 8 Apr 2006 15:14
"Lockpicking is what robbing is all about!" says Jim King.
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by TOWCH » 8 Apr 2006 15:48
Punch out the two center rods?
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by n2oah » 8 Apr 2006 15:55
Yay, you win the prize. It took me a minute or two to figure out how to get the wafers loose.
"Lockpicking is what robbing is all about!" says Jim King.
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by eric343 » 8 Apr 2006 16:09
Nice photos. That's the first time I've really understood how the "H" lock works.
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by mh » 8 Apr 2006 17:00
Great photos! An interesting lock design, too. Pivoting wafers with false gates, and balls to reduce wear & tear...
But why does the 3rd key not work? Simply a key for another lock, or worn down?
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by n2oah » 8 Apr 2006 17:38
The third key doesn't put all of the wafers into position. It puts only 3 out of 8 wafers into the proper position.
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by raimundo » 9 Apr 2006 10:54
I remember Jimmie, one of our french members said that this lock was now obsolete since the burglars found a way to use force to easily and quickly break through it. He did not tell me specifics, but the lock is not made any more. they are one of the more interesting designs.
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by raimundo » 9 Apr 2006 10:56
Maybe that third key is some kind of control key?
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by n2oah » 9 Apr 2006 11:14
I recall hearing something similar to the statement that this lock is obsolete because of a flaw. I would definetly like to get more details on that.
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by mh » 9 Apr 2006 13:13
Is the lock protected well against drilling & removing the sidebars?
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by greyman » 25 Apr 2006 8:51
I don't think it compromises security too much to say this since the F484 is obsolete now. It was susceptible to forcing with a hardened blank (it was Jimmie who told me this). That is why it is not made anymore. It was a very popular lock in its time and you can still see a few of them in use in Paris. Your local French embassy might even still have them on the door. I have not seen any reinforcing or drill protection on the F484 locks I have seen.
It was replaced by the F787 which is now the model of choice for residential applications.
Thanks to the original poster for the nice pictures. It is a very impressive lock.
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by toutsurlaserrurerie » 5 May 2006 8:35
Hello,
Vous trouverez sur mon site le schéma technique de fonctionnement
http://protections-vol.com/484.html
Effectivement ce cylindre peut être ouvert en quelques secondes avec effraction par une clef de force, et avec des vagues ou avec l'outil de Falle sans effraction.
Il est encore sur de nombreuses portes à Paris.
Fred
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by Shrub » 5 May 2006 9:03
It looks very simular to how a ingersol works.
toutsurlaserrurerie, sorry i dont read french and translators dont have lockpcking specifics in them so i dont tend to bother. It is also against forum rules to have a link in your sig line, put it on to your www icon in your profile.
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by taylorgdl » 5 May 2006 11:14
Its a nice exploded view in the link.
It's all about the tension . . .
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by greyman » 5 May 2006 12:11
toutsurlaserrurerie wrote:Hello, Vous trouverez sur mon site le schéma technique de fonctionnement http://protections-vol.com/484.htmlEffectivement ce cylindre peut être ouvert en quelques secondes avec effraction par une clef de force, et avec des vagues ou avec l'outil de Falle sans effraction. Il est encore sur de nombreuses portes à Paris. Fred
OK, I can help here:
You will find on my website a detailed diagram [of the lock]. This cylinder can in fact be opened in a few seconds destructively using a forcing key, and non-destructively using wave (keys) or the Falle tool.
It is still used on numerous doors in Paris.
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