HOLE IN LOCK

[LockNewbie21]

Ahhhhhhh thats the thread! You almost feel sorry for the little buggers, but as they said in the Civil war, Some must die for the good of many Oh well it is fun to smash things though aint it?


Andy

[jordyh]

They were a parting gift from my old job, the keys were missing, i demolished 3 and still have 3 left.
Easy to pick and nice to use for deflating egos.

Yours,

Jordy

[Varjeal]

Keyring: I'd have to see one of those actual padlocks myself, but if it works how I think it does, that hole is in a good spot for a bypass. I won't go into it further here.

[LockNewbie21]

Yea varjeals right i just say new locks, we suggested the abus discus, but what ever floats your boat, there are other good ones out there some a little steeper in price than others


Andy

[concerned]

On request:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=11515

Before rushing to solutions though, i'd prefer if Concerned elaborated on his needs.

If it's deterring Destructive Entry, the discus is fine.
For Non Destructive Entry, i'd prefer a bit more pickproof lock with some serrated pins or mushrooms. American series, perhaps?

Also, remember that there are cheap replicas of the discus on the market that clearly lack the anti drill plates. (well, that's an assumption, but look at the darn depth of the thing, those plates take a lot of space, and i've seen some disturbingly slim knockoffs...)

All depends on the location, i guess.


Yours,

Jordy

Jordy,

I live in a coastal city of South Africa where crime has been on the increase lately. When I saw the hole I was very concerned because sometimes burglars can be quite persistent. Although I have an armed reaction alarm system one sometime can never be too careful. But at the same time one has to be practical. There is no need to increase security well beyond that which is needed. The hole in the lock appeared a shortly after I had been having difficulty in relocking the lock. I do not know why this difficulty occured. I suspect that the rain and the fact that I live near the sea may have caused rust even although the lock is only a few weeks old. It is possible while applying force the insert of the hole may have dropped out. I really don't know. After I examined the second identical lock and after someone here pointed out that it is a hole made during manufacture of the lock I could see the outlines of a similar hole in the second lock. It is very difficult to see but I am convinced that it is there. This would mean that the hole was not drilled by a prospective burglar. Therefore I no longer see a need to be exceedingly careful - to the extent that I should upgrade my security system. Also I no longer see a need to buy a lock that cannot be drilled. My main consideration now is a lock that is reliable enough so that it does not have to be replaced every few months. This have been the case for the past year. One of the problems is rust. I have recently purchased a "marine" Viro lock that has a stainless steel coating as well as stainless steel springs and nickel plated inside component parts. Hopefully this lock will last longer.

Many thanks to all for their contributions to this thread. By the way, when I contacted the Viro distributors today I asked them about the purpose of the small hole that appears near the key hole of padlocks. They said it is for water drainage. I know that there has been some debate about this matter on this thread.

[LockNewbie21]

I detest against there claim, just follow the laws of gravity, why would you put a hole in the top when water will fall to the bottom by gravity, the only place where i hav ever seen holes for water drainage is in the very bottom of the shackle hole where mind you these hows are 5 times smaller than this whole, and also in the bottom on the lock adgacent to the cylinder, now lubrication wholes are mostly on the side of the padlocks, but from what i have read most here will spray the lube fight into the cylinder insert a half diamond and just move the pins up and down to worh the lube though the pin holes, i seen no reason at all to why that hole is there besides for bypass, i dont know the technique but the mods do as to my they suggested it, it looks like if there was even a water drainage hole there someone took and larger bit and expanded the whole, the lock body if hardened steel is tough to just drill though but with a smalled hole as a start would make it very esy to enlarge the hole for bypass. Thats jsut my theory, but i have never ever seen a water dranage hole at that location, and most importantly that size, which is sizable enough to allow an instrument to be inserted to by pass.


Andy

[p1ckf1sh]

I detest against there claim, just follow the laws of gravity, why would you put a hole in the top when water will fall to the bottom by gravity,

He is not referring to the hole in the lock that started the thread and wsa shown in the pictures, but to his new lock by another manufacturer... and he says that drainage hole is correctly placed near the keyhole, so that would be the bottom of the padlock...

[concerned]

I detest against there claim, just follow the laws of gravity, why would you put a hole in the top when water will fall to the bottom by gravity,

He is not referring to the hole in the lock that started the thread and wsa shown in the pictures, but to his new lock by another manufacturer... and he says that drainage hole is correctly placed near the keyhole, so that would be the bottom of the padlock...

The writer above is absolutely correct! Sorry for not making this clear previously. concerned

[LockNewbie21]

Opps sorry bud



Andy

[skold]

On request:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=11515

Before rushing to solutions though, i'd prefer if Concerned elaborated on his needs.

If it's deterring Destructive Entry, the discus is fine.
For Non Destructive Entry, i'd prefer a bit more pickproof lock with some serrated pins or mushrooms. American series, perhaps?

Also, remember that there are cheap replicas of the discus on the market that clearly lack the anti drill plates. (well, that's an assumption, but look at the darn depth of the thing, those plates take a lot of space, and i've seen some disturbingly slim knockoffs...)

All depends on the location, i guess.


Yours,

Jordy

Jordy,

I live in a coastal city of South Africa where crime has been on the increase lately. When I saw the hole I was very concerned because sometimes burglars can be quite persistent. Although I have an armed reaction alarm system one sometime can never be too careful. But at the same time one has to be practical. There is no need to increase security well beyond that which is needed. The hole in the lock appeared a shortly after I had been having difficulty in relocking the lock. I do not know why this difficulty occured. I suspect that the rain and the fact that I live near the sea may have caused rust even although the lock is only a few weeks old. It is possible while applying force the insert of the hole may have dropped out. I really don't know. After I examined the second identical lock and after someone here pointed out that it is a hole made during manufacture of the lock I could see the outlines of a similar hole in the second lock. It is very difficult to see but I am convinced that it is there. This would mean that the hole was not drilled by a prospective burglar. Therefore I no longer see a need to be exceedingly careful - to the extent that I should upgrade my security system. Also I no longer see a need to buy a lock that cannot be drilled. My main consideration now is a lock that is reliable enough so that it does not have to be replaced every few months. This have been the case for the past year. One of the problems is rust. I have recently purchased a "marine" Viro lock that has a stainless steel coating as well as stainless steel springs and nickel plated inside component parts. Hopefully this lock will last longer.

Many thanks to all for their contributions to this thread. By the way, when I contacted the Viro distributors today I asked them about the purpose of the small hole that appears near the key hole of padlocks. They said it is for water drainage. I know that there has been some debate about this matter on this thread.

You say you had difficulty locking the padlock? This could mean you pushed the brass pin out when pushing on the shackle. I have seen it before on cheap bras padlocks.

[Varjeal]

I'd also mention the obvious to be wary of locks with parts that "fall" out of them. Just because a lock has a part (which in this case likely did fall out of its own accord) which is removable doesn't rule out that it may have been drilled as well (and I'm not being paranoid, just stating a fact.) to remove it.

Certain types of brass padlocks can be rekeyed by drilling out the retaining covers, repinning the lock, then replacing them (either with properly fitting new ones or properly fashioned home-made ones) and filing/sanding the surface until the retaining covers cannot be easily viewed. This isn't a foolproof method since a file can just as easily be used to reveal them once again.

I would highly recommend using a more secure padlock that is of better quality to resist both physical attack as well as the elements. As the OP mentioned previously, there's no definitive reason to upgrade the security system.

Hope that helps.