Have you seen this ??? Paper on Pin Manipulation

[illusion]

the pyramid method involves taking all but one pin out and then working up from there.. at least I think it's named the pyramid method.

hmm... I still feel that lockpicking is largely seen as some magic skill that couldn't possibly be learnt for free and therefore when they see a guide for cheap on ebay they're on it like moths to a flame.

Good idea writing it in Lithuanian, I'm sure it would be of benefit to those who either thought it impossible or lacked the resources to s6tart picking.
Yes I agree that by waiting untill you are proficient at picking before you write it, is a good idea.

I'll see how I feel about writing a new version... it may be trying to fix what isn't broken, but I wouild like to do it none-the-less

See how it goes I guess

[Bahrg]

As a newbie lockpicker I would love to see all the knowledge on this board condensed into a nice manual. Of course it is kind of an ongoing project as the members continue to try new things, and post new found knowledge.

Just a lil thank you here for all those posting the info on LP101, its keeping me very busy reading, making tools, and trying out new things

[Krypos]

i figured it out. in response to illusions idea of a super-manual of LPing, make it free, but only to those which can make it past like...something similar (if not the same as) the advanced section "test", maybe not everyone knows, but you have to either post 40 good posts or be an active member for at least 3 months. if one could make it into the advanced section, then for sure they wouldn't be selling it on ebay the next day, or maybe make the file like...impossible to sell. via...anti-selling leet code or something...ok post going downhill now....ya. just my thoughts.

[p1ckf1sh]

i figured it out. in response to illusions idea of a super-manual of LPing, make it free, but only to those which can make it past like...something similar (if not the same as) the advanced section "test",

Good thing, I like the idea of condensing all the info on here.

maybe not everyone knows, but you have to either post 40 good posts or be an active member for at least 3 months.

I think these two requirements are logically bound by AND, not OR. 40 good posts AND at least three months. Otherwise I would already have applied...

I think something like a wiki-styled extension to LP101 with limited modification ability (say someone has to be on the board for at least 1 month and have thirty posts showing interest and coherent use of language to get an account to modify or create articles) would do that job nicely...

[Legion303]

maybe make the file like...impossible to sell. via...anti-selling leet code or something

My favorite method, if you have the free time, is to post to eBay with a similar subject to the people ripping you off, but in the item description put a link to the file, and start bidding at a penny "on the honor system" (i.e., "here's the file for free, and I'm charging a penny to comply with eBay rules. If you choose not to send the penny, that's fine by me").

People get upset when they try to sell free things for $20 and someone else comes along to undercut them like that. :)

-steve

[ablazia]

I say go for it - get the thing written up and decide what to do with it after that. Im a newbie to some extent but would love to find a single source of the information I am finding here. Right now, I have to wade through all of it, figure out what I dont know, figure out how to tap into threads and practice picking as well as things I do in my regular life (like raise a daughter, work, get outside). I'm taking in an awful lot of information in a short time and then I practice, practice, practice - who cares if my fingers are bleeding, keep practicing (well, they don't bleed but I hope you get the point). My girlfriend thinks I must be messing around on her because my fingers get stiff and then I jiggle and wiggle and say things like "Mags... Mags.. easy... " in my sleep. There's no convincing her Im not messing around.

Back to the point - I don't want to spend a lot of money getting things I don't need in order to learn how to be proficient in lock picking.

That means money on tools or useless drivel in books. I have done that before and not just with picking but man, LP101 is a frigging GOLD MINE of information. If it were made easier by having a compilation of the information - free or not - I would go for it. If you charge for it, well, I will just have to save money to get the thing. If you don't, I would give you my first born daughter but since I only have one.. you dont get her.

Either way, INFORM me please if you do decide to offer such a writing. At very least, let me preview it for you, eh? But really, just write the thing and then decide how you want to handle it. Consider it a begging of mine to you if you must; my mind is hungry for good food on this.

I'm finding a lot of good food here, but I hate dial up and a book, I can carry that with me so if I cant practice, I can read about it.

I just joined here, but find the free information to be great and am actually grateful that there is such a place as LP101 and people willing to share what they have learned with people that WANT to learn. But, learning correctly is very important, getting accurate information is mandatory to being proficient. Otherwise, its just leading into a dark, frustrating, dead end.

ablazia

[yng_pick]

maybe make the file like...impossible to sell. via...anti-selling leet code or something

My favorite method, if you have the free time, is to post to eBay with a similar subject to the people ripping you off, but in the item description put a link to the file, and start bidding at a penny "on the honor system" (i.e., "here's the file for free, and I'm charging a penny to comply with eBay rules. If you choose not to send the penny, that's fine by me").

People get upset when they try to sell free things for $20 and someone else comes along to undercut them like that.

-steve

I actually really like this idea- if someone was willing to do as such. Spam the 'lockpicking' matches with the information at lowest cost- the cost to cover the expense of posting it on ebay-
drive out all those ripping off everyone-
and ya might even boost your ebay ratings

[p1ckf1sh]

I actually really like this idea- if someone was willing to do as such. Spam the 'lockpicking' matches with the information at lowest cost- the cost to cover the expense of posting it on ebay-
drive out all those ripping off everyone-
and ya might even boost your ebay ratings

I'd actually volunteer to do something like that as soon as I have a bit more time due to certain personal affairs settled. I am just not sure if I can add auctions with my german ebay account. I think it should work, though... If someone was helpful enough in helping me compile the files/docs that are usually up for auction and donate bandwidth.

OTOH, certain are kinda mad right now for the mere fact that their copyrighted or proprietary stuff is distributed (pick templates, etc.) so these folks might not be in total agreement with this kind of action.

I'd actually do it differently, not the honor system but rather put the auction at a fixed price of maybe 2.50$ and make the buyer send that money off to EFF, Doctors without borders or some other NGO that does good things around the world. Make clear in the description why this is done, that no profits are made by anyone, and people are still going to decide against sending 20$ to a person if they can get away with a 2.50$ deal to charity...

[Shrub]

I think charity auctions are banned by ebay as well, or at least it was,

When the tsunami happend i put some stuff up and said the money will all go to the fund but they got removed, i went to the support forum and there were others who had done the same and they had been removed,

Funny old world isnt it

[matchew1579]

As much as I hate to chime in here, adding to what seems to be an ending thread, I have to say that as a new member of the forum, there is a TON of info here. I have been looking through these threads and have found some very useful info.. Pyro's video, DB's guide, all kinds of helpful information, but I know that I will find more and more as I go. Some threads have so many posts that I'm afraid to start reading.
If all of the info here were to be condensed into a single source, it would have to be a wiki based doc. There's just too much here and, at least I'm finding, too many different aspects to this skill to make a single document useable for anyone other than a beginner (like me).

Just my thoughts...

[p1ckf1sh]

If all of the info here were to be condensed into a single source, it would have to be a wiki based doc. There's just too much here and, at least I'm finding, too many different aspects to this skill to make a single document useable for anyone other than a beginner (like me).

You are right, and that is because the world of locks is huge. To the common pin tumbler, there are so many additions, modifications, implementations and form factors throughout the industry and the different countries that the conceivable amount of information is just HUGE. Apart from that there ate lots of different tools, picking techniques and other opening methods. And that is just for pin tumblers...

I agree that the only good way of collecting and categorizing all that stuff would be a wiki, and if the crowd on here did a take on collecting all the current info on LP101 and condensing it into something like this it would most likely bust LSS out of the water. But it is not going to happen, and I think that is good.

Just imagine the people on ebay selling this "ULTIMATE LOCKSMITHING CONPENDIUM". It just would not be fair. The locksmith business used to be (or is) tight-lipped so we can be glad to have LP101 in the first place. Research takes time and it should have to as well. It is just the way we humans process information. When I initially read the MIT Guide a lot of the stuff did not make sense or stuck to my head because I failed to see the relevance. Another aspect of having to research is serendipity.

Information should be free in my eyes, but no one ever said you have to be able to get it without dedication.

[yng_pick]

i noticed this when looking for locksmith books
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-E-books-Ultimate- ... dZViewItem

i notice that the price is very low for these- GBP 0.39, or about 74 cent US.. no shipping

seems i remember listing cost about that much or so, though its been awhile since ive tryed listing anything

[hurri]

i noticed this when looking for locksmith books
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-E-books-Ultimate- ... dZViewItem

i notice that the price is very low for these- GBP 0.39, or about 74 cent US.. no shipping

seems i remember listing cost about that much or so, though its been awhile since ive tryed listing anything

You don't have to buy the books....I have some PDF's wich may help you..I think I have also the one from you link...If you need them contact me...

[kepiblanc]

i noticed this when looking for locksmith books
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-E-books-Ultimate- ... dZViewItem

i notice that the price is very low for these- GBP 0.39, or about 74 cent US.. no shipping

seems i remember listing cost about that much or so, though its been awhile since ive tryed listing anything

VillageKeyGuy,

This eBay auction you found here is just another prime example of somebody selling what can be obtained freely otherwise. The MIT guide is downloadable on a site that is linked right here on this one, and "The Secrets Of Lockpicking" can be found on all of the various P2P filesharing services.

[yng_pick]

i understand all that,,

my above post was in reference to the previous discussion