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New found respect for Brinks

Picked all the easy locks and want to step up your game? Further your lock picking techniques, exchange pro tips, videos, lessons, and develop your skills here.

Postby Mr. Lock Pick » 29 Apr 2006 13:41

yes brinks are hard to pick
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 29 Apr 2006 15:33

Well i hope i get my videos on here before everyone picks them, the video is actually funny becuase i set that lsat pina nd my tension wrench slipps but i turn the cylinder with my pick, have to reinsert tension wrench to open it, but an honest pick.


Hey a quick question to all brinks pickers, When you pick you practice lock more than a few times to you find it difficult to use the actual key i mean for most as you'll see in my video i have to wiggle the buggers to open the locks.

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Postby pinsetter » 12 May 2006 16:06

Ahh well, I bragged too soon about my ability with the Brinks shrouded lock.
The thing is, sometimes I can open it in a few minutes, and other times I just can't open it at all. I never "cheat" and look at the key, and there are times I've sat with this lock for hours and finally had to put it down defeated.

I WILL persevere! I WILL get consistent with this lock! There are just SO many spool pins that it's hard to get out of false set without losing progress.

I'm beginning to think that getting it to false set is not a good idea for this reason, as it almost always results in losing your progress when one of the five spools rotates the plug back CCW.

I'm thinking one would have better luck by finding the binding pin, fully pressing this pin all the way into the housing and feeling for the "hang-ups", while making note of which of them provide the most plug movement. (The spool cut and the correct set should provide more movement than a groove on a serrated pin) Obviously, the second hang that provided the plug movement you're looking for would more likely be the correct set position, as the first one would be the spool cut. Make note of it, then either set this pin or set it in false position and analyze all pin stacks in this manner. After analyzing all the stacks you can try the combination of hang-ups that you've come up with. At the very least, you should make note of the binding order of these locks so you'll know which spool pins you need to correctly set first. If you think about it you'll understand why this is so important, and you'll understand why so many people struggle with these locks. You can set pins all day long, and if you try to set the pin that binds the most last it's gonna let the 5 you've already set back down, then you're back to square 1. That's part of the beauty of multiple security pins!

Oh, and before I forget, keep in mind that when the lock is locked and no key is inserted some of the spool pin cuts will likely already be at the shear line. That is why sometimes when you rake across just a couple of pins you'll achieve a false set. So, if you keep that in mind and you note which pins achieved a false set by pressing you'll get a general idea of how the top pins are configured and can come up with an educated guess of which pins will need to be pushed deep and which will require less movement.
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 12 May 2006 16:34

No worries pin setter, this lock is a complete pain in the arse, i can open it constistantly besides when i go to set a securtiy pin and it resets the pplug back to square one just keep working its just one of those locks



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Postby LockNewbie21 » 13 May 2006 0:01

Since were one the discussion on the shoulded still, I am in the process of making a bump key for one... failed ont he first two any way with allt he securtiy pins and such is it possible to bump? I mean anythings possible but it this more of like a 1 in 19 chance of bumping it open once?










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Postby What » 21 May 2006 20:17

i just opened up my brinks shrouded lock to see what pins are in it, and the final count is:

4 serrated drivers(1 normal)

4 serrated spool top pins(1 normal)

just though i would share.
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Postby What » 21 May 2006 20:19

What wrote:i just opened up my brinks shrouded lock to see what pins are in it, and the final count is:

4 serrated drivers(1 normal)

4 serrated spool top pins(1 normal)

just though i would share.

sorry, it should be 5 serrated and 1 normal for both of the above figures.
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Postby illusion » 21 May 2006 20:28

I have a Gege cylinder. It has 5 serrated top pins, and a bugger of a bitting... that's giving me some fun. :lol:
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Postby undeadspacehippie » 21 May 2006 21:55

Jason13 wrote:Thats the only thing that makes a Brinks or Abus hard



1. Good make of lock

2. high low

3. heavy spring


When you say high low, do you mean a high pin followed by a low pin? I'm finding this type of setup on another lock that I am working on - just curious (don't mean to be ignorant, <insert "Too Late" here if need be :) >
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Postby What » 21 May 2006 21:57

yes, that is what he meant.
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Postby cracksman » 21 May 2006 22:34

Finally got mine, used a two prong tension wrench (falle #1 non-adjustable), that made the difference. Thanks for the thread I had given up on her for months :D

*This is the highest torque I have ever had to apply on a clean lock.
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 21 May 2006 23:31

It not the tesnion thats hard, its just the degree of false set it goes into for the final pin, its so hard to get it up wihtout reseting the entire cylinder.



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Postby pinsetter » 22 May 2006 8:37

I don't know that everyones Brinks Shrouded is like mine, but mine has absolutely NO spring tension against the plug in about the first 20 degrees of rotation or so. I even have to manually apply negative rotation after I've hit a false set so I can push the security pins through. I find that they require a very light but steady tension and a little more pick force than normal.

Another thing I've found is that when you hit the false set that produces a high degree of plug rotation like LockNewbie21 describes you may still have more than one spool at a false set state. The last time I got that high degree of rotation I still had three spool pins to correctly set.
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 22 May 2006 14:18

Right on pin setter, my lock at the last ctaching spool looks like it should just open, but one wrong move and bam reset cylinder. There a great buy i will always think these as the best. Anybody that has a key for one post a pick lets see how crazy some pin combos go.




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Postby cracksman » 22 May 2006 20:12

Your right LN21, I was actually talking about the torque needed to open the lock after I picked it. I hesitated putting more pressure thinking I had hit another spool, but looking at the plug I realized there was no way it wasn't picked. I had made the same mistake on an old Master on a shed, I would have sworn I had picked it almost at once, but no luck. I had to use a screwdriver to turn the plug in the end because it was in such rough shape.

As far as the key for mine, I have to get my camera back, but it runs a predictable; high..low..high..low..high..low
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