french high security cylinder

by **placebo** » 15 Aug 2003 14:53

Hi all,

http://www.fth-thirard.tm.fr/Nouveautes_99/
Cylindre_ATLANTIC/Cylindre_Atlantic.htm

I'd like to know how such a cylinder can be picked : which tool, which technique, need documents, every help is welcomed thx.

-placebo

by **newbie06** » 15 Aug 2003 15:05

just letting u know your link doesnt work, it says that we dont have permission. so no one can see it to give u an answer

by **newbie06** » 15 Aug 2003 15:07

oh wait, ur link is just messed up. heres the correct link ( i fixed it for u)
http://www.fth-thirard.tm.fr/Nouveautes ... lantic.htm

by **CubanJJ99** » 16 Aug 2003 19:45

placebo wrote:Hi all,

http://www.fth-thirard.tm.fr/Nouveautes_99/
Cylindre_ATLANTIC/Cylindre_Atlantic.htm

I'd like to know how such a cylinder can be picked : which tool, which technique, need documents, every help is welcomed thx.

-placebo

That key on the site reminds me of the mul-t-lock key. If that is so, then its unpickable. But then again, its no mul-t-lock so i wouldent know.

by **safecracker** » 16 Aug 2003 22:05

unpickable....never heard of those kind of locks

by **CubanJJ99** » 17 Aug 2003 2:23

safecracker wrote:unpickable....never heard of those kind of locks

Mul-t-locks are the weirdest locks ive ever seen in my life (then again thats only been 14 years). The lock is weird to explain but ill do my best. It has pins on the top and on the bottom, but not normal pins... ok ill get to the funky pins later. the key is cut on its sides instead of on the top like most keys. each pin (the funky ones) of the 5 pins had like a circle and within the circle like another little stick thing. the height of the outer circle and the height of the pinish thing have to match to be able to open. So it has that and it also has like some other little thingamabob that i dont even know about (i only opened one up once and i didnt get to put it back together so i dont know much) and so yea. ohhh yea each side of the key has different sized pins so theres like 5 holes for the pins on each side but its actually 10 because one hole takes care of 2 pins wich is the small stick and the outer circle. Theres more to that but i dont really remember now. Those are some weird locks... ohhh yea, forgot to mention, they have this feature thats really weird that you can adapt 3 keys to it. not master keying i mean like... ok you have one key and you use that one, but you wanna get it rekeyed so instead you get a different color key and you put it in the lock and it opens the lock but doesnt let the key you used before work on it. and it can do that twice. its some really weird stuff.

by **safecracker** » 17 Aug 2003 10:29

Ok this has got me curious, I'm going to do some research. I still don't believe they are unpickable or else they would be much more popular.

by **CubanJJ99** » 18 Aug 2003 3:26

Maybe they are pickable, who knows. I bet someone somewhere came up with some funky tool to pick these weird ass locks. And yea they are popular but more for businesses and stuff like that.

by **SlimJim** » 28 Aug 2003 9:50

http://www.assaabloy.co.za/locksmiths.htm

by **safecracker** » 28 Aug 2003 11:30

actually I posted on here in a thread about picking MUL-T-LOCKS.....hehe i found it is possible.

by **Scourge_Cooper_the_4th** » 17 Nov 2003 8:10

hey i never tried to pick those crazy things. where can you get them? i'll try it myself and figure out if they are unpickable or not. :shock:

they look wearder than what my clan comes up with.

by **The Key Maker** » 17 Nov 2003 8:46

These multi-locks are the same style as abloy right? In one of the K2K videos The Key guy opens one using a key cut full of dimples slightly larger/ deeper than an normal key dimple, then he uses some electricians or plumbers duct tape, the stuff with like a metally feel / look to it. Cover the key witha strip and makes it flat, wiggles it into the lock and ping, the key impresions itself and the lock opens!!!!

by **Varjeal** » 17 Nov 2003 11:17

Mul-T-Lock is a far different design than Abloy.
Mul-T-Lock uses a pin within pin design while Abloy uses discs. Way different techniques are used for each.

by **Chucklz** » 18 Nov 2003 0:15

Unlike most high security locks, no special picks are required to pick Mul-T-Locks (at least the older ones that do not have the new "interactive" key at least, which I am yet to examine) While there are picks made by Souber tools, or something called a Matador pick, which is just a very thin shim about the width of a key, which is bent in a wavy pattern, to kinda make a rake. But I digresss, a small half diamond, or a rake that the Germans call the Mountain 6 Its the long rake in your set..... can be used with good success. The trick is that this is a pin-in-pin system. Each pin has a gooey center of pin in pin goodness. There are 5 sets of these pins in a standard Mul-T-Lock. Pick it as two 5 pin locks. On the plus side, each pin has a very small distance to travel. Have fun

by **greyman** » 24 Mar 2005 10:32

This looks like yet another DOM iX clone, but with two concentric pin tumblers at the rear. There are heaps of these horizontal keyway dimple-key cylinders around, especially popular in Europe, although I haven't seen one that mixes normal and pin-within-pin tumblers. Because the movement on each pin is very restricted (a couple of mm only) it's usually a question of how accessible the keyway is (relatively easy judging from the photo). You need modified tools since it's a horizontal keyway - a smaller pick or a wavy flat pick. The concentric pins need a (very) small hook. Probably not worth the money they're asking for it.