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by LockNewbie21 » 22 May 2006 12:02
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There they be fella's not the best but ehh also notice that some picks are angled up, thats to show the compensation on the pick heads and how the pin fit in, lemme some feeback.
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by USMAN » 22 May 2006 14:00
Wohoo!
Those are wonderful picks, with wonderful idea, i will try this on my next new picks  then i will post results.
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by LockNewbie21 » 23 May 2006 3:01
Sorry for the small print in the photo the only non readable box is at the bottom and it says that the picks are allowed to be made by members of LP101 for there own personal picking and expierementing, and that noone is to move these photos outside of LP101, and any questions please PM me, but if you can enlarge the pic some how to read it do that to.
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by Jason13 » 23 May 2006 5:08
Pretty nice i'll try it out once i get hold of some wiper but im going to make it and get a pin out of some old lock with a average size pin.
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by pinsetter » 23 May 2006 12:36
Those are an interesting design. Did you model the shafts after Falle Safe's?
In all they look pretty good. The only thing I could see is that a couple of the pick heads could possibly use a slightly different angle on the "cradle" you designed. It really is a miniscule detail though. I noticed in your text that you said you still had some details to work out though, so I'm sure you'll get them perfect. Still, those should work nicely! Congrats!
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by LockNewbie21 » 23 May 2006 13:13
Pinsetter, thank you for oyur kinds words, as i said i am always looking for constructive critism, lol as my vison and such isnt that good with out glasses. Yes i agree with the top one, i have not yet finished to pick head on that one as it is to large, i used to to show a mor exploded veiw. As for th epart wher ethe pin rests through using the cut away i noticed to lower the angle (deeper the angle) that to initially grip the pin the pick heads had to be tilted forward, so when the tang was swiveled upward on the fulcrum and the pick head became closer to the pin it would slowly cradel the pin as it was raised more, this design and fulcrum placement was put into use to allow you if need be to slide the pick under all the pins and pivot the tang on its fulcrum to cradle the pin, I am thinking mabye to get the ghist of what i am saying i should make a video totorial of me actually demonstraighting what i am talking about as i am doing to for you to see rather than read and try and toput it together. Once again thank you for the critisism, although some people take offence i am fully open to anyones oppions, Other than stupid stuff like THERE CRAP!!! or I dont like them!!! But anyone feel free to add you to sence, and if you interested in trying them, i will make some prototypes of the angle of you choice, and charge some cheep price, inless you make you own just to get the pick out there and get some reviews from real pickers. Like i said have a look and tell me what oyu think, as to the vets. like Ray and shrub, DB, illusion, if you have a problem you see and advice on something feel free to leave it here.
Thanks so far guys... the trouble shooting continues, always check back i will be updateing with pictures as i now have a digital camer i can work not so good but good enough.  I also am working on some medeco pick prototypes, but that will be an advanced forum topic if i am accepted, sorry guys. I wil say that it will involve calculated angles and suck but thats all i can say sorry chums.
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by pinsetter » 23 May 2006 14:52
I should point out that I was not speaking of the angles of the shafts or the angles of the heads. That all looks pretty good! I was speaking of the same thing I'm having to fine tune on my own original design. From the picture it was kinda hard to tell, but it looked like on the second pick down that you may need a little more metal right on the tip to get under the pin good when you have it tilted to go under the pins. It looks like it may be an odd angle to initially grab the pin, but once the pin was "hooked" it would work sweet. Like I said though it's hard to tell from a picture really.
Honestly I like the design. I'm doing something similar, but yet totally different. My design is of half-diamonds with pin cradles, and on some picks I've added the head design to a deforest style pick.
I'm sure we were probably thinking something similar when we thought of our designs. I wanted something that would grab an individual pin and hold it fast until I felt the pin set and released it. I didn't want to have the pick sliding off the pin I was working on. I incorporated the head design on the deforest to deal with high-low pinnings. The picks work really good, but I've had to tweak the angles of the heads on the deforest design, much like what you were talking about with tilting them slightly forward.
By the time it was all said and done the head design didn't resemble a half-diamond at all!
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by LockNewbie21 » 25 May 2006 9:32
Sounds like a cool design Pinsetter, once your done wiht yours sounds like a good thread aint? "Next Level homebrew Hall of fame" SOunds sexy dont it
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by Isakill » 25 May 2006 11:32
Photobucket sez they are undergoing maintence...
Penn-Foster sent me a really crappy set of HPC picks and i'm looking for some ideas for new picks. mainly cause I cant hardly fit em in my mortice locks or my American lock padlock..  and I can't really feel anything while picking any of my Kwicksets either. needless to say I havn't picked a lock with em yet. 
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by LockNewbie21 » 25 May 2006 11:54
Hmm well givve photobucket a little and check mine out, you can use mine as a basic, and then thin them down like i said, or try and thin down your picks you have and give them a good sandin, use silicon lube and emory paper to ge the best finish, need anymore help PM me bud
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by Isakill » 25 May 2006 13:15
I like those. I'm definatly going to resize that pic and try a template if you don't mind.
They do well in that ABUS lock? If so they will do exellent in my schlage and yale mortices.
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by LockNewbie21 » 25 May 2006 14:17
No prob buddy post a pic if you make one to add to the thread, also depending on pinn config is what you want to set you angle. Since your just trying it out dont worry about exact angels and fulcrum points, this was just to get a good base, just make you own style and what works good luck buddy.
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by Legion303 » 26 May 2006 7:52
Those look really nice. I might pick up some hacksaw blades next week and give this design a shot. Does it seem like these work better than usual for picking pin tumblers, or are you still refining the design?
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by LockNewbie21 » 26 May 2006 9:21
Well they work great as they are, the top most picks head if far to large, i used that to show you a kinda of exploded view of what the smaller ones are harder to see. They feel funny at first, but there excellent with highlows and regular configs. I think there as good as there going to get being made by hand. A few of my buddies are metal workers so i am trying to find one with free time to use a machine.. don't even know waht its called to get a few cut that are perfect.. meanily shape wise, hopefully use the machine to alter dimensions to get some slim lines. Then i might start selling them. But the only way i will is if there made on a machine were each is exactly the same. I wanted to use memory metal but as i found out the price is astronomical, so stainless is what they'll be made of. I will continue to update this thread and hopefully have some up for sale (cheap) on the forum for testing and critisism so before i start making a bunch of them i know that there good. Like i said anyone feel free to duplicate and alter your own and post pictures i am totally open to suggestions, and your designs.
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