Help with a Kryptonite Padlock

[cigma42]

I need some help with a Kryptonite padlock. My apologize ahead of time if I sound like too much of a noob. I've been picked through several of my house doors and some pad locks laying around the house: the MasterLocks have become a bit of a joke, but the Kryptonite and Best have been giving me trouble.

After reading a few forums I now understand my troubles with Best.

HOWEVER, the Kryptonite lock is baffling me. It's brass and heavy, but I can't find the type on Kryptonite's site. I've picked the pins several times so as to rotate the cylinder, but when I do I only get about 15° CW and about 100° CCW. In both situations, the hasp does not open.

I speculate that perhaps this Kryptonite lock (looks like a replaceable core) has some of the same properties as the Best which have effectivly a dual cylinder situation.

[digital_blue]

15 degrees sounds like a lot of rotation to not have the lock open, but it could be that you're up against a spool pin. Usually you'd see something closer to 5 - 10 degrees if it were a spool, but I mention it anyway just in case.

If it's a spool pin, you'll want to do a little research on the site for how to get past them. They can be tricky at first, but you'll get it.

If it's not a spool, I'm not sure what to offer. I'm not familiar with the specifics that that particular lock.

Cheers!

db

[LockNewbie21]

Nope you doing everything right there jsut security pins engaing with the 15 degree turns loosen tension and feel for neg. plug rotaion.. to aid in this spray a pinch of silicon lube in it will smooth things out and better feel so oyu can practice. If you post apick of th elock itself i would be happy to scour the net in my free time to find some details for you. Good luck buddy, le tme know how the best turns out i have been meaning to get ahold of one to try, i am jsut waiting for a good deal on ebay:O) later man


Andy

[What]

Nope you doing everything right there jsut security pins engaing with the 15 degree turns loosen tension and feel for neg. plug rotaion.. to aid in this spray a pinch of silicon lube in it will smooth things out and better feel so oyu can practice. If you post apick of th elock itself i would be happy to scour the net in my free time to find some details for you. Good luck buddy, le tme know how the best turns out i have been meaning to get ahold of one to try, i am jsut waiting for a good deal on ebay:O) later man


Andy

little drunk?

when you get it to 100 degrees have you tried pulling the shackle(hasp) to open it? if so, try turning the cylider lightly with a small screwdriver.

[LockNewbie21]

No im not drunk i bascially said what db said we just posted at the same time, and my answere was regarding the 15 degree turn then stopping which inless the lock is not functional the logical choice would be a security pin.. put down your drinks and read and think about things more carefully


Andy

[devildog]

And the reason for the 100 degree rotation would...be...a....security pin?

[What]

No im not drunk i bascially said what db said we just posted at the same time, and my answere was regarding the 15 degree turn then stopping which inless the lock is not functional the logical choice would be a security pin.. put down your drinks and read and think about things more carefully


Andy

i was suggesting you being drunk b/c of your spelling. you normally have very good spelling.

[cigma42]

This is great advice. You were right on about the spool pin. I can really only rotate closer to 5-10° than 15° but how do I determine which pin it is? And what is this negative pressure you're talking about? Does this mean slack off on the torque or move it back until the pins almost line up again in the cylinder?

Additionally, why does it only cause me trouble in the CW direction? I mean, I can get all the pins CCW but it doesn't open, it just feels blocked.

[LockNewbie21]

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:34 am Post subject:

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LockNewbie21 wrote:
No im not drunk i bascially said what db said we just posted at the same time, and my answere was regarding the 15 degree turn then stopping which inless the lock is not functional the logical choice would be a security pin.. put down your drinks and read and think about things more carefully


Andy


i was suggesting you being drunk b/c of your spelling. you normally have very good spelling.

Sorry what lol i was in a bad mood last night and hence the bad spelling, sorr y to jump on you there buddy, my appologies


Glad to hear to the pin advise worked although DB beat me to it just under a few seconds.. dang mods Glad that the info helped, if oyu a get a chance post a pick i would love to see a krypto pad lock, when i get off of work iw ill scour the net for one.



Andy


Andy

[cigma42]

Ok folks, I've now done some serious research into these Spool Pins and I think I'm begining to understand how they should work. However, when I get to the 5° CW, I can't feel any negative pressure from pushing on any of the pins. Am I barking up the wrong tree? I tried being super sensitive with the torque wrench. I even took it out while pressing the pins in: no movement or negative pressure.

Advice?

And here are those pictures you requested. Still a noob at taking the really clear ones, but these should be sharp enough to get the idea across.

[cigma42]

just copy and paste the url.

[Shrub]

As What said once youve turned the plug your 15' remove the wrench and insert a screwdriver, try to turn the plug with that but dont force it.

A padlock or such like mech needs more force to turn it.

If its a spool pin youve set wrongly the plug will rotate back slightly when you remove the wrench.

You should know how to combat spool pins by now if youve done some serious research so get to it.

[cigma42]

Wow! I've never encounter anything with so much resistance once I picked all the pins. Screwdriver did it perfectly.

Thanks guys. Y'all rock.

[digital_blue]

Hey cool. Good call What, and Shrub. Indeed, because many padlocks have a plug that is spring biased, it can require a bit more force to turn the plug. I'm a little surprised you weren't able to do it with the tension wrench tho. I've never encountered a plug I couldn't turn with the wrench except on a really old, really beat, really corroded lock.

Glad you got it sorted though!

Happy picking!

db

[What]

i had to do this on my brinks house key padlock. that is how i first figured it out.