7 Pin Tumbler Money bag

[Skeard]

I am looking for any information that I can get for this new lock that I received from my Father in Law. I have spent the last hour doing searches in the forums, and found nothing.

The lock is a 7 pin tumbler. It's made by MMF Industries in Wheeling, Illinois. The lock is attatched to a fabric money bag with a zipper that opens it.

I found the bag in his basement last weekend, it was empty and it had the keys with it. I was bragging about how I could pick most of the padlocks that I had. And he let me borrow it, but he gave it to me locked, and he kept the keys. I told him that it was beyond my lock picking skills, but I would let him know when I got it open.

I haven't spent much time trying to open it, but my guess is a 7 pin money bag won't be easy. It's too bad it's not full of cash, I'd just cut the bag open.

[illusion]

Hmm.. it might be a simple 7 pin tumbler, in which case it's just a case of practicing.

I grabbed the website, and looked around. They seem to be fairly secure, and I'd imagine have high tollerances.

MMF Industries website <---- Click.

I didn't see mention of actual measure that made them pick resistant... so I'm guessing a 7 pin lock with a slight possibility of some spool pins.

Please let us know how picking goes.

[Skeard]

thanks for the info.

It is a 7 pin tumbler, I counted all the pins with my pick before I happened to notice that "SEVEN PIN TUMBLER" is stamped on the lock. Heh. I am not sure how simple it is. I think it is beyond my abilities. I am gonna put some time into it, though. I'll start on it tomorrow

The bag I have matches those shown under "Locking Security Bags"

[Varjeal]

Interesting...have a close up of the keyway on that one? They seem to be really proud of the fact that it's a seven pin lock...makes me suspicious.

[Skeard]

Here are a couple pics.

[Octillion]

Do you remember what the key looked like? Any odd features?

[Raccoon]

If your father-in-law isn't very distant, ask if you can take some pictures of the key. Get one from each side so we can examine if the lock has any sidebar anti-picking protection.

That asside, I think this lock boils down to the quality of your picks and sheer picking skill. Use the longest spring-twist tension wrench you have and apply as little tension as possible. Try a little 3-in-1 oil in the lock. You may just have to buy some better quality picks with a smaller shank and deeper reaching hook to get under low pins.

[Skeard]

I did get a fairly good look at the keys. I am a bit of a noob so I doubt I could recognize any features on the key that would indicate that the lock has a sidebar.

I am sure that the purpose of this cash bag is to get currency from Point A to Point B without being opened. Sure, I could cut the bag open, to get at its contents, but that would be noticed. The stitching on the bag, except for the zipper area, is folded inside the bag, so any cuts would be easily seen. I could cut the threads on the zipper area of the bag, but I doubt it could be sewn back up without the zipper being opened, which means the lock must also be opened.

I think the weakness in this bag is the plastic window on the front of the bag with the leather trim. The right side of the window is open, obviously to allow an insert with information on it. I am not gonna say any more than that, and I am not going to cut the bag open.

[keysman]

Also Known as Arco- Rifkin bank bag ( MMF bought them out )

You will find a few spools/ mushrom pins + possibily some serrated bottom pins.


keys ? Ilco # 1130 , 1131, 1131R

[digital_blue]

Also Known as Arco- Rifkin bank bag ( MMF bought them out )

You will find a few spools/ mushrom pins + possibily some serrated bottom pins.


keys ? Ilco # 1130 , 1131, 1131R

Another consummate professional. Nice work!

db

[Shrub]

Well the challenge was to open the bag right?

See how the lock works, im guessing that on being locked you simply have a spike that levers down into the material of the zip stopping the zip from working (it should actually lock into a separate hasp part but it may not) in that casse simply slide somthing in and lift the spike out the zip and unzip it.

Other than that they arent a hard keyway so ts just down to picking it, i dont think there should be any problem with this depending on skill.

[UWSDWF]

Note the bolded text, this guy is trying to get something out of a money bag unnoticed, not to pick the lock but to remove its contents with out being caught. Sounds pretty criminal

I did get a fairly good look at the keys. I am a bit of a noob so I doubt I could recognize any features on the key that would indicate that the lock has a sidebar.

I am sure that the purpose of this cash bag is to get currency from Point A to Point B without being opened. Sure, I could cut the bag open, to get at its contents, but that would be noticed. The stitching on the bag, except for the zipper area, is folded inside the bag, so any cuts would be easily seen. I could cut the threads on the zipper area of the bag, but I doubt it could be sewn back up without the zipper being opened, which means the lock must also be opened.

I think the weakness in this bag is the plastic window on the front of the bag with the leather trim. The right side of the window is open, obviously to allow an insert with information on it. I am not gonna say any more than that, and I am not going to cut the bag open.

[Shrub]

I found the bag in his basement last weekend, it was empty and it had the keys with it. I was bragging about how I could pick most of the padlocks that I had. And he let me borrow it, but he gave it to me locked, and he kept the keys. I told him that it was beyond my lock picking skills, but I would let him know when I got it open.

He clearly stated the situation, he then submitted pics of the bag and then he reminded us that he could simply cut the bag open if he wanted the contents.

Out of all the dodgy posts we get i think this is a honest one and that your radar isnt yet honed on such things, maybe it was just another joke?

[Skeard]

There is nothing criminal in my motives. I was simply trying to analyze any possible weakness in this bag. In fact, I know exactly what is in this bag. It contains a $1 bill, that my father in law wrote down the serial numbers for. He told me that when I can give him the serial numbers, he will know that I successfully picked this lock. He lives 3 states away from me, so that was his way of me being able to prove that I had done it.

[p1ckf1sh]

There is nothing criminal in my motives. I was simply trying to analyze any possible weakness in this bag. In fact, I know exactly what is in this bag. It contains a $1 bill, that my father in law wrote down the serial numbers for. He told me that when I can give him the serial numbers, he will know that I successfully picked this lock. He lives 3 states away from me, so that was his way of me being able to prove that I had done it.

What are you going to get when you prove your success? The other bag full of 100$ bills?

Just kidding...