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Postby KR » 19 Sep 2005 9:08

try looking up brammah locks london.it,s used by major jewellers in the uk.
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Postby devildog » 19 Sep 2005 15:02

Yes, you mentioned using an obscure lock and that's precisely what popped into mind, having read Matt Blaze's stuff:

http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/bramah/
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Focusing on the lock...

Postby LostGunner » 15 Jun 2006 22:13

I tend to agree with devildog - people focus too much on the lock. Each lock should be considered a puzzle, some more challenging than others. The reality is that each can be opened given sufficient time.

Furthermore consider what it is you are protecting and whom are you protecting it from? You can secure your house down to the last detail, but what happens when the levy breaks? Is everything perfectly watertight? Will it withstand a wall of water rushing over it? Can it stop an intruder with a brick that knows you are on vacation? A sledgehammer?

If human ingenuity, cunning, planning and ruthlessness can net $92 million, as in the recent UK heist, what can possibly be truly safe? As an individual I think your best bet is to focus on locks, safes and alarms as deterrents and mechanisms to slow entry, but also as puzzles that are interesting to defeat. Focus on personal defense and insurance as true safeguards against crime.

As another example, consider the incident in Waco, Texas. Should the government choose to come after you, can you repel a 100 man ATF assault? I suppose so, they did. Can you stand for 52 days against the government or anyone else that wants what you have and is willing to commit the time and resources to get it? The Branch Davidians couldn't.

So where does that leave us? I say it leaves us to find security as a hobby, one that should be applied in our personal lives but one that is ultimately impossible to achieve perfectly. Focus not simply on the lock but on all your surroundings and fortifying them such that they are able to dissuade most and repel what few remain. Then simply enjoy the puzzle that is the lock.
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Postby Squelchtone » 15 Jun 2006 23:21

n2oah wrote:
devildog wrote:And here comes that obvious question: What kind of lock does Falle have on his door? :lol: :shock:


a Mossberg 500 with some string tied to the door handle.

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Postby Squelchtone » 15 Jun 2006 23:41

But on a serious note....

I like the idea of multiple locks on the door. Why not make the bad guys work for it. Install several deadbolts on the door and then a lower key-in-knob schlage everest with the key coding cut into the side of the key (i forgot the technical term for this). If you want to have some fun, figure out a way to reverse the action on one deadbolt so one is always locked and one is always unlocked. On the inside of the door install a Locknetics magnetic door lock mounted to the top of the door, with an access control panel and an HID maxiprox reader mounted to the door inside so it is not visible.

Now, even if you pick 3 locks and figure out one works backwards to fool you, you still need an HID prox card to release the magnetic.

I'd also recommend that you install an armored ceiling or wall mount dome camera over the door looking down with a 3.6mm lens and wire that to a DVR which will tape 24/7 or motion event only and store it on a hard drive. If they do get into the room, don't have the DVR sitting there in plain sight, hide it in a cleaning closet, another room, or inside an old 486 desktop case. Also put the DVR and camera on a UPS so if someone wants to kill camera power by turning off the mains to the building while they pick the door, the camera/DVR still records for later review.

I'm a network guy working in a Network Operations Center. I bet we worry about the same stuff. Hope you find my suggestions useful.

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Re: Focusing on the lock...

Postby digital_blue » 16 Jun 2006 0:27

LostGunner wrote:I tend to agree with devildog ...


But on a serious note... I'm not sure devildog will even *remember* his comments.

Congrats! Thread Resurrection of the Week! :P

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Postby maxxed » 19 Jun 2006 22:51

Squelchtone your conscept is very similar to one i did. I also installed micro swithches so that I could detect the postion of the deadbolt. This allowed me to configure the system so that the maglock would only release when the deadbolts were in the proper position.
system 1
eg: top locked bottom unlocked , then swipe and unlock top deadbolt in 5 seconds.

I will also mention that you can add a timer to create an even more elaborate system.

system 2
eg: unlock bottom, unlock top , relock top that starts 15 second timer , swipe then unlock top
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