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5 piece southord (first pick set)

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5 piece southord (first pick set)

Postby omgxraycat » 16 Jun 2006 3:25

I just ordered my 5 piece southord pick set with the beginners book. I feel like I have read enough on this site to learn pretty quickly, but I have a question about lockpicks. I've searched around and couldn't find an answer, so I'm sorry if I repost an old topic...

I live in the US, but I noticed a lot of people buy the slimline picks. Will I find any locks in the US that require them? Should I buy a set? Also, from what I've gathered, the pick you use is based a lot on preference. So why would there be 20+ picks in a set? I understand what the physical differences are of my picks, but I don't know what instances to use them in. I read a post on this forum describing what they look like, but they don't describe what they're used for. I know you use the hook or half diamond for single pin picking and the snake for raking, but why would I need all of those other shapes? Do I need different tension wrenches?

Thanks for your time...sorry for the long post!
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Postby digital_blue » 16 Jun 2006 4:33

I have never owned a set of slimline picks, and I managed alright. After a while, I did eventually find that I needed some lower-profile picks for certain locks, but by that point, I just made what I needed. Also, I eventually upgraded to a set of Falle-Safe tools and they have the Thin Curve picks that do the trick.

So, for starting out, I think you'll just do fine. By the time you reach a point where you need something more, you'll be in a better place to decide what that should be. :)

Cheers!

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Re: 5 piece southord (first pick set)

Postby p1ckf1sh » 16 Jun 2006 4:45

omgxraycat wrote:I live in the US, but I noticed a lot of people buy the slimline picks. Will I find any locks in the US that require them? Should I buy a set?

Well, if you are picking Kwikset and other common (in the US) deadbolt locks you will be fine with a normal set for the time being. Certainly there are other types of locks, even in the US market, that have a tighter or more warded keyway, and these will probably require slimline picks.

European locks tend to have a much more restricted keyway, so for picking these locks a slimline set would be the way to go by default.

Use the pickset you get for a while. If you find you have trouble maneuvering the pick in the keyway you might consider a set of slimlines. (Actually, slimlines are usually 0,50mm thick if I recall correcty - what is the size on the regular sets? Anyone have an idea or a micrometer ready?)

Once you get your picks, it is usually a good idea to take a good metal file and some sanding paper (320-600-800) and deburr the edges. The tang in profile will look like [] when they come from factory. If there are burrs in it it might be a problem to move the pick properly, so get them all nice and smooth. It pays out. Ideally you will want to "round" off the edges so the profile looks a bit like (), but make sure you don't take off too much material.

Also, from what I've gathered, the pick you use is based a lot on preference. So why would there be 20+ picks in a set? I understand what the physical differences are of my picks, but I don't know what instances to use them in. I read a post on this forum describing what they look like, but they don't describe what they're used for. I know you use the hook or half diamond for single pin picking and the snake for raking, but why would I need all of those other shapes? Do I need different tension wrenches?

Regarding the picks - good question. You will find that you will develop a preference to a certain pick type, that might be a half diamond or a hook or something like this. Most people have a few different hooks they use (wider or tighter radius, longer tip etc) for different situations, such as extreme high/low combos. Why one would need the expensive 50+ picksets is beyond me as well. But it depends on the personality of the picker.

Regarding tension wrenches - I have more tension wrenches to use than picks. Make yourself a good assortment from wiper blades. Diferrent locks require different sizes of wrenches due to the keyway warding etc. Sometimes it is better to put it in the open en of the keyway (wider part), sometimes doing so will effectively prevent successful picking. Tension wrench usage, size, pressure and position should be varied often. It seems to me that getting this right might even be the harder part of the training.

HTH.

Thanks for your time...sorry for the long post![/quote]
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Postby omgxraycat » 16 Jun 2006 5:00

Thanks guys! I appreciate both of your quick replies! I can't wait for the mailman to come so I can play around with them!

I think I'll just stick with this basic pick set that I got coming until I get the basics like you said. Once I run into the problem of small keyholes, I'll upgrade.

Again, I want to thank you guys for the advice. This site is great. I have never picked anything, but I feel confident that I will be able to learn quickly from the documents on this site. After reading up on this site for a few hours, I've found that I can explain the basic concept of lockpicking to people (without having ever done it).
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Postby digital_blue » 16 Jun 2006 5:03

Woot! This place rocks. :)
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Postby pretender » 16 Jun 2006 15:06

Fresh n00bs! Muahahaha! :twisted:

Bought myself a southord set - thought it was clunky as heck, to be honest.

Another thing that hasn't entirely been touched on is that you can grind down the set you have easily enough if the shanks are too large or something like that.

I know the hook pick was a little disappointing overall.

Best of luck.
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Postby TheMikeMan » 17 Jun 2006 12:19

I have never bought a set. I too had the misunderstanding about when to use what, but I recently discovered that the half diamond will open anything I've tried so far. The brands I can pick with just a half diamond are:

Schlage, Master, Kwikset, Weiser, Amarlite, Russwin, Yakima, Taylor, Yale, and Kaba.

I don't know what it is about my half diamond, but it seems to work on just about everything. My advice would be to try opening all the practice locks that you own with each of the picks. Decide which pick works best for you on which type of lock. Pick selection varies from person to person, so don't assume that something's wrong if what works for others differs from what works for you.

I hope that helped.
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