question about 2 methods for re-pinning a lock

by **phairdon** » 17 Jun 2006 14:47

Hello,

I am wanting to do the beginner's exercise that is found here, and that involves taking a lock and repinning it. Now, I found two guides on these forums that show how to repin a lock. One of the guides, found here :http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=10505 does not use a cylinder removal tool. I saw another guide (don't have the link right now) about repinning a kwikset lock, and it says that I must have a cylinder removal tool. Is it only kwikset locks that need that tool, or am I missing something? I looked online and that tool is around $40 so I would prefer not to have to buy that. If I buy a lock other that kwikset, can I repin it without a cylinder removal tool?

I did do a search for this question but still needed to post this. Thanks. I've been reading these forums for the past 3 weeks and I've read the MIT guide and the Steve Hampton guide and I'm ready to get started learning to pick with the Beginner's Exercise.

by **UWSDWF** » 17 Jun 2006 18:13

no tool needed depending the lock. So the question becomes what is the lock you are trying to re-pin

by **Shrub** » 17 Jun 2006 19:04

As gfar as im aware Illusions guide is pretty much all you need to do your lock, i think the tool you may be getting confused with is the locks in the actual handle, themn you may need a tool to remove the plug.

Illusions guides are generic and pretty simple to follow, try it and if you encounter problems then ask but i think youll be fine mate :wink:

by **Wolfman** » 17 Jun 2006 21:42

Kwikset supposedly requires a cylinder removal tool to remove the lock from the door handle. Or you could be thinking about the plug follower. More then likely you are thinking of the removal tool thing.

I realy dont know... You said you found it, could you post a link?

I just dont know!!! :lol:

by **jgencinc** » 17 Jun 2006 23:27

You don't need a fancy plug follower to repin. I use long sockets. 11/32" works for both kwikset and schlage.

by **illusion** » 18 Jun 2006 14:43

Could he be talking abotu the Key in Knob removal tool?

If memory serves, that tool is actualy a bypass, am I wrong?

by **Shrub** » 18 Jun 2006 17:41

Thats what i said but as you can tell i wasnt actually 100% with it last night /this morning lol

by **Wolfman** » 18 Jun 2006 19:34

illusion wrote:Could he be talking abotu the Key in Knob removal tool?

If memory serves, that tool is actualy a bypass, am I wrong?

The $40 one is a bypass. Its used to pull the lock cylinder out of the handle without taking it off the door (:roll: Go kwikset)

There is a cheaper way to take out the cylinder.

Heres a link to the kwikset manual.
http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature ... Manual.pdf

Keep in mind: You dont need the cylinder tool they use in the manual. You can do everything it does with 2 small screwdrivers.

:idea:

Maybee I should make a kwikset handel set guide.

by **Shrub** » 18 Jun 2006 20:09

I could be wrong but i thought there was one, if not go for it i think you should :wink:

by **phairdon** » 18 Jun 2006 23:01

Hey,

I found the other guide I was talking about here http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=12909&highlight= . I thought both this guide and the guide I linked to in my original post were for repinning a door lock that you buy at the store. I want to go to the store and buy a lock to use in the Beginner's Exercise. Can anyone tell me what lock I should buy that would go along with the first guide and not using some new tools? Thanks for the help and sorry for the noobishness

by **boroboy41** » 19 Jun 2006 7:51

What you're looking for is a low security cylinder for a deadbolt or nightlatch which will typically have only 5 pin stacks with no additional security features. If you can, pick up a "replacement cylinder" which is the only thing you're wanting otherwise you'll have to buy it as part of a complete deadbolt package.

Have a look at Illusion's repinning guide for an idea of what it is you're going to be looking for in the store then go and get one. I guess a Kwikset 660 is the type of thing you want.

by **Wolfman** » 20 Jun 2006 11:10

phairdon wrote:...and not using some new tools?

Wolfman wrote:Keep in mind: You dont need the cylinder tool they use in the manual. You can do everything it does with 2 small screwdrivers.

In the 2nd tutorial they use the special removal tool. YOU DONT NEED IT!
You can use Two small screwdrivers to do the exact same thing.

Trust me. Its how I take them appart.

by **Raccoon** » 20 Jun 2006 13:02

The Kwikset Removal Tool used for removing cylinders from knobs, as mentioned, can be substituded for 2 small flat head screwdrivers. This tool also comes with a majority of Kwikset pinning kits, it's just a slim flat rod with V shaped prongs at the end.

I'm curious if Kwikset knock-offs also need this tool, or if any other named brands use this same system.

I'm also curious about this removal tool that doesn't require removing the handle from the door..? Non-destructively?

by **zeke79** » 20 Jun 2006 13:16

I would say 70-30 non destructive. 70 being non destructive. What happens 30% of the time is the clips on back of the knob cylinder that are crimped in either are pulled out or break. If they are pulled out they can be sometime worked back in and recrimped with alot of work if you do not break the cast pot metal that the shell is made of.

by **Raccoon** » 20 Jun 2006 13:24

Is this the tool that uses a saw-toothed key (to grip the pins) and a turn screw vice-looking cap that goes over the knob? Tighten the screw, and the key pulls the cylinder out?

Doesn't the stem prevent this from being non-destructive?

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