Anyone seen this before? Hook with pivot bearing on top

[p1ckf1sh]

Found this in some Wendt pdf catalog. Thought I'd share it, it sure looks like an interesting idea, and I have not yet seen anything like this before.

[illusion]

Considering the size of the fulcrum, I would imagine it actualy works better with more heavily warded keyways, since it would struggle lifting very high on that tiny raised peak.

[darrel.h]

It would be for people that have a tendancy to apply too much tension. I personally think that it is an interesting design that should be applied to every pick.

[SFGOON]

Falle hooks use a simmilliar principle, but use the entire length of the pick as a potential fulcrum. It is a highly effective design.

[eric343]

I heard from one of the SSDeV guys (at WTH) that they had the design made up.

[Hardliner]

I am more intrigued by the dished out tip of that hook. When I first started making picks I did a slimline-style hook that was nice, but the stupid thing kept slipping off the pins, making picking a bit of a chore to say the least. That little indentation looks like just the solution to such problems.

[Shrub]

Looks simular to eddies tool design.

[Bahrg]

I like the looks of this hook alot since I tend to use my hooks as a lever on several locks. Its been quite some time since I made a pick looks like its time for a new one Thanx for posting the pic.

[bembel]

I bought exactly this Lockmaster pick last year but never really used it.
I prefer this homebrew design instead:



(Roughly)
Does exactly the same thing but reaches over the first pins, dental style.

[p1ckf1sh]

Looks simular to eddies tool design.

-verbose, please.

Who is Eddie, and why is he designing tools that have not been presented to me for appreciation, admiration or amusement?

[Shrub]

viewtopic.php?t=8642&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=eddies+tool

It is simular princible but not the same if you know what i mean, i meant it was the same sort of idea.

[raimundo]

it would seem that a deforest, such as bembel posted the diagram of would be less likely to get temporarily jammed or make its own mark on lower warding, but for those who feel a need for a fulcrum, consider a separate tool such as a piece of bicycle spoke that can be moved independently in or out of the keyway and used as a fulcrum/ second tensor, the fixed fulcrum makes the pick tip too busy and will sometimes cause a problem, but a separate tool made straight without any possibility for getting seriously jammed would be able to move to the place where you need a fulcrum.
Anyway thats my thought on it.

[p1ckf1sh]

Raimundo, you are actually saying what I thought at first - the location of the fulcrum on hte pick design that started this thread is pretty far forward. I'd think it would only be useful in working the first two or three pins. If you tried to lever on the rear pins, I think the tang would hit first, instead of the fulcrum. Maybe that was the intention of the designer.

But I also like your idea of a mobile fulcrum. It's just... I only have two hands. One for the tension tool, one for the pick, how to move the fulcrum. The coolest thing would be a slider on top of the tang, that enables you to slide the fulcrum to the position you'd like without letting go of the pick itself. But I think this is not possible because of stability and size issues.

[Shrub]

But I also like your idea of a mobile fulcrum. It's just... I only have two hands. One for the tension tool, one for the pick, how to move the fulcrum. The coolest thing would be a slider on top of the tang, that enables you to slide the fulcrum to the position you'd like without letting go of the pick itself. But I think this is not possible because of stability and size issues.

Hmmm i wonder if any of you want to play around with modding a craft knife? instead of the knife use a wiper insert ground down and a pivot point on it and the handle would give you a place to hold a pick,

Slide the pivot point in and out the case instead of the knife blade.

[pinsetter]

Hmm, now I'm curious! I have an xacto set at home and plenty of wiper blade inserts. I may try some experimenting with your idea Shrub. I also like the idea of a handle with replaceable pick heads. I've already made all the picks I really need, so this gives me something to play with.