Can't Get It!!!

by **jb68** » 21 Jun 2006 21:07

ok so last couple of weeks i've cleared out the garage and i can finaly see my bench grinder and more importantly my bench. ive dug out the dremel, and got a couple of junior hack' blades. ive made 2picks which came out ok (i think they are feeler or hook picks) made a tension wrench out of an allen key and for the last 2 days i have been attempting to pick a yale cylinder that i had sitting around. i am getting the pins to bite, but dont feel the point as it hits the sheer line. so i dont know if i'm gettin 'em high enough. the key pins drop back down afterwards, so iknow they're not catching or fouling & when i take the tension off i hear the driver pins drop back down. any other advice, or am i on the right track? just feel like im getting close but missing something. :cry:

by **undeadspacehippie** » 21 Jun 2006 22:23

You may be lifting them too high, I've done this alot - I'm working on it myself still.

by **Shrub** » 22 Jun 2006 9:03

Its just practice.

by **Blink** » 22 Jun 2006 10:52

Exactly what Shrub said.

If you haven't all ready, follow db's beginners tutorial (http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=10677&highlight=pin+binding). It walks you through learning to pick your first locks by removing pins and learning the different type of feedback for set pins, binding pins, overset pins, etc. It's a great way to build up your confidence as well.

Good luck!

by **undeadspacehippie** » 22 Jun 2006 11:42

Did you get it yet? - Usually by now the response pattern is - POST , 3 replies, Post again --> I got it!! .

by **USMAN** » 22 Jun 2006 11:53

You shuld try to change the rotaion direction..

by **jb68** » 22 Jun 2006 19:34

no, still not got it, but have been reading the link that Blink pointed me to, had seen this but wasn't sure about stripping down a cylinder yet, spose it's time to bite the bullet and do it. Keep your heads down, watch out for flying springs and pins. thanks to all for the advice, i'll keep you posted.

by **Shrub** » 22 Jun 2006 19:43

Re-pin it in a plastic bag then you wont loose anything.

by **jb68** » 22 Jun 2006 21:40

good

ta for that, will do.

by **Kaotik** » 22 Jun 2006 23:04

I agree with Shrub and USMAN, try picking it in at least a one gallon plastic bag so nothing is lost and turning it in the opposit direction, and if you get it, try not to get to excited when it turns and cheat to spin the plug to the un-lock position, let it reset and remember what it felt like and you should be one step closer to success....good luck

Kaotik

by **Kaotik** » 23 Jun 2006 12:13

Wow

, my last message didn't make much sense after re-evaluating it, but i think you allcan understand what i was trying to say...LoL.

Kids don't grow up to be like me....just joking

Hope it's all working out for you whether you decided to pick in opposite direction or re-pinning it.

Practice makes better pickers.

Kaotik

by **assweasel** » 24 Jun 2006 2:12

What you describe is also a symptom of a binding tension wrench. Being new to picking it is one of the hardest things to identify. And as you made your own chances are thats your problem.

You should file off any sharp corners on both the tension wrench and the picks and then burnish them to a high finish. You want these tools to be smooth as silk in your lock.

No sharp corners and you won't have any binding

by **jb68** » 24 Jun 2006 20:29

ta for all the advice, made a plug follower this evening so tomorrow i will strip the cylinder down. I have taken the edges off, and sanded them off with wet and dry paper, but are you saying that they need to be almost mirror like? when you say binding wrench, where should i look for it binding? coz i've tried the wrench in 2 different places, bottom of keyway and top, i've found the bottom more comfortable but gets in the way of the pick, where as at the top it's more of a struggle to stop it catching the front pin.

tried this method on a cisa padlock and almost had it i think. the plug turned
quite a way but i just couldnt get it. as i released the tension i heard 3 or 4 clicks as the pins sprung back down. i was well gutted, it's about as close as i've got so far

ive just seen on another thread someone else describing the same sort of problem. i think my next step will be 2 strip the cylinder 2morow and take it from there because i am really havin a problem feeling the sheerline. :oops:

thanks again all

by **Kaotik** » 24 Jun 2006 21:08

I would not go as far as buffing the pick or torque wrench to a mirror shine, In my opinion that would be taking it a bit too far (manufactors pick products are not even mirror polished).

However, 600-1000 grit wet or dry sand paper with a little oil on it should be sufficient and will have a nice semi-satin reflection to it (make sure you get all the edges on all sides though).

As far as torque wrenches binding, you want it to fit as good as possible, it usually binds against the lock housing if it's to small and doesn't fit close to the bottom ward of the keyway, you should be able to tell by seeing if it slips which could give you the impression that the cylinder is turning.

Good Luck

by **jb68** » 24 Jun 2006 22:06

thats exactly whats been happening, i've gota bigger 1 but it's 2 big have 2 get an allen key between the 2 sizes. thing is it is a good size in the yale but slips in the padlock

thanks again

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