Interesting locks

[atrix]

hi all :D
I found two new interesting locks
this one like a disk lock system, but key some is strange



to translate use:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
or:
http://www.translate.ru/text.asp
sorry my english

[UWSDWF]

These top lock is odd but looking at the key makes me believe that it is very simplistic

[CPLP]

it is very simplistic

I wouldn't count on that

[n2oah]

It looks like you screw the key into the lock, which aligns the disks like an abloy...

The other, I believe, is a lever lock who's key would break off easily.

[raimundo]

the disc lock appears to be a lot like the abloy except for the key, and a lot of discs, no doubt when the key goes in a sidebar cut appears along the edge of the disc pack, but I wonder how it gets sorted out after someone has put a tool in and messed up the disc pack, abloy does that well. the second lock made me think of the italian mottura types, but it has a post in the keyhole. no doubt good locks, are they ukrainian or russian?

[greyman]

atrix - thanks for these interesting pictures. I love the first one with the twisted key. I haven't seen anything quite like that before, although it looks a bit like a DOM Diamant. I would be interested to know how many different codes it can have. Come to think of it, I may have seen a similar old German design with a twisted key like that.

The other lock with multiple bolts looks like an Italian eg Mottura type lock with a double bitted key. The only outward difference seems to be that there is a big fixed ward in the keyway - probably stops you using coaxial picks on it.

I suppose it would be asking too much for someone who knows Russian to provide a translation of what's on the brochures?

[mh]

Wow, thanks a lot for these pictures!

It's really fun to start looking at russian locks, just by entering some kyrillic letters into google.
I found e.g.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis ... ezop63.htm
which reminds me somehow of security.org - just in Russian language, of course...
mh

[mh]

By the way, this is the website of the manufacturer: http://classholding.ru/
Or translated by babelfish: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis ... holding.ru

Unfortunately, babelfish doesn't work properly on the product pages. Here's a rough translation of some text about the upper lock:
"Drum mechanisms of the secrecy" (secrecy = security)
"The type of mechanism - disk, 20 code disks ensure 100 mln. combinations. The first disk - shielding is made from heat-treated steel. Analog-digital volumetric coding of key. In the set of 5 keys."
Or use this ink:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis ... fclass.htm

[illusion]

Looks like you create turning force by turning the face plate, and the discs align themselves.

20 discs does sound intimidating, but the whole thing looks a bit gimmicky IMHO.

[n2oah]

Looks like you create turning force by turning the face plate, and the discs align themselves.

20 discs does sound intimidating, but the whole thing looks a bit gimmicky IMHO.

I'm with you on the gimmicky part. How could the key possibly differ, by twisting it more or less?

[lockedin]

For the first one, I wonder how copies are made And how to distingush the different areas on the key.

[mh]

For the first one, I wonder how copies are made And how to distingush the different areas on the key.

I guess that's part of the security concept, just like with e.g. Dom Diamant: It should be very difficult to make copies of the key.

[greyman]

Hey, I thought I'd seen a twisted key lock before and I have. It's in an old German patent by Furhmann from 1879. I don't think it's quite the same mechanism as the Russian one though.

Can someone get their hands on the patent that is referenced in the advert (RF8389). I can't seem to find it and actually isn't the EU country code for Russia RU?

I'd like to buy one of these beasties, can anyone locate a website selling these CLASS locks with the twisty key?

[atrix]

hi all
these two figures sent to me my friend on the mail. these are the new models of locks and I do not know they is there in sale
it begins to work with KLASS and it promised to me to send the pair of the locks with twisty key.
that I will immediately add detailed photos into this POST

[Shrub]

I not sure if the top lock and keys are drawings or actual pictures, the keys would have to be cut and not twisted as twisting a piece of metal exactally the same each time is pretty hard, the draing gives the impression that the discs are full of false notches and that the middle discs are the ones that actually tensio the lock,

I would think that these are classed as high security locks for now until we know more and discussion needs to be limited to breakdown pics only and no picking or bypass methods brought into it yet.