French Newbie Presentation

[Mister V]

Hello all.

Congratulation for you site, and the quality of the informations in here...


I have a little problem, my english is not perfect, and my "technical" english, less more....


So I do not understand all of the message and explanations.



I'm a new one in the lockpick, and I find it amazing.


I ve juste bought a kit yesterday, the one I took in picture just here :






I bought also the two ABUS padlock on the left side of the picture to begin training.



Have you got some specific training exercises with this kind of stuff ?


In fact, I successed opening the little padlock in a few minutes using the little "entraineur" and the pick number 14.
I placed the first pin, and after I inserted deeper and moved upside down, and it opened easily...
Its only 3 pins.


The bigger one is 4 pin, I counted them with LP n°10. Thought the half diamound were the best to pick locks, but I failed to place any of the pin with the n°10 ...
I succesed to open it with n°7 , racking inside the pad lock...


But I find theses locks very small to insert a pick and place each pin individually .... Is that normal ? Or it s because i'm not really trained ?



Have you some advices on the use of the other number of my lockpiks ?

Some training on my padlocks ?

I have lot of questions, so I prefer to keep the to later ... Thanks for the time you'll take for answering !



A french beginner in LP !

[Shrub]

viewtopic.php?t=10677

[Mister V]

Thanks.. And sorry for the double post..


The problem with your lick is that i have no unmountable 5 pin lock ...


Working with padlock isnt interesting to learn methods ?

[Kaotik]

The best advice in my opinion that you could recieve is to READ all the information you can, and this forum is indeed full of it (information that is).

And it sure beats the heck out of asking alot of questions which have already been answered in endless posts.

Try thoroughly reading the link above in which Shrub has posted, and also try searching for the MIT Guide to Lockpicking.

Hope that helps.

[LockNewbie21]

Ok I don't speak French so if there is somethin i wirte that oyu don't understand and i will gladly rephrase. Your using the Hook Pick, so slide this under the pins slowly and gently, now the one that will ot lift is the binding pin, or the one you must lift, Lift that pin until you hear a click, then slowly move you hook in and out again and find the next pin. Keep doing this until the lock opens. Always us light tension, Or turning force. Always Practice. Your tools are excellent, you will need to finish them, so your should go and by emory paper ( this looks like sand paper, but is the color black) Pick out the paper that is not very rough and littel more smooth. Sand the picks until you can run them across your finger nail with out scratching it. Thats about it if there was somthing yu don't understand let me know, i always wanted to learn a second language but my schools teacher was'nt the best back in the day



Andy

[Shrub]

Can you use your return button? especially when talking to a noob and one that doenst spreak english

I find it hard work reading solid blocks of text so what chance does he have,

I admit that wasnt to bad but your others can be, sorry if this upset you but i had to say somthing.

[Mister V]

So first, thanks to all for your answer.

As I precised first, I'm OK to READ every thing you want, and before having posted, I read a lot in this site, watched lot of videos, and readed the MIT file on LP.... Be sure of that.

But as I precised too, my english is limitating my comprehension of theses post, and I dont have "training lock"... I swear I ll look for one, it seems to be needed to learn, ok..


Locknewbie, thanks to you particularly.

Your using
the Hook Pick, so slide this under the pins slowly and gently, now the
one that will ot lift is the binding pin, or the one you must lift, Lift that pin until you hear a click, then slowly move you hook in and out again
and find the next pin.

The theory of this movment, I have understood it.
But in realisation, it's harder.

How do you choose wich pick is better for wich lock ?
(can you show me with the numbers ? )


In my big padlock, there is a little "moving" ("un jeu" in french) when I apply a tension... Will it harden my job blocking my pin ?


Your tools are excellent, you will need to finish them, so your should go and by emory paper ( this looks like sand paper, but is the color black)

Ok, I'll do this.
But when i try to scratch with my nail (hard to do, I eat it), It's quite smooth yet... But I'll do it anyway.



let me know, i always wanted to learn a second language but my
schools teacher was'nt the best back in the day


No problem, If want to learn some vocabulary, I can make you translation of what you want, just ask !

Little precision. When picking first pin, no problem to lift it gently...

But when I have to pick insides one (2,3,4) there is a problem.

When I pick number 3 for example, the extremity of my pick is under number 3, but the lenght of my pick will be under pin 1 and 2, and add difficulty to feel the only tension of pin 3 ... see what I mean ?

[LockNewbie21]

No offense taken Shrub, Illusion said something to Have to love public school.


Okay buddy the Pick you will choose for which lock depends on your pattern of Picking.

Some will use a rake Like # 1,2 or4 to either rake the lock open, or achieve false set. This is when you catch a security pin and the lock will turn a little bit then no more.

As far as the method i described, i agree fully with you that it is indeed harder at first. But this will form an excellent pattern for you, not to rely on raking, and when you try to pick harder locks it will also help. Keep Practicing and you will learn.

Also Shrub has a great guide on finishing picks Click on the link to read below
viewtopic.php?t=10398

This guide has all you need on finishing, and also making some of your own if your interested

Hope I answered your questins, anymore keep asking, i did when i was new... probobly to many


Andy

[Mister V]

Ok.


Question more :

When I lift my pin 1 applying a quite important tension, I can block it.
Then, my "active" pin get down, without spring force...

Does it mean surely thats its the bending one ?


Cause when I apply a bit less tension,, I can block the pin number 2 the same way...

Wiche one to place first ?

[Shrub]

If a pin droppes without spring force and the plug had turned a little then yes its correctly set,

When you then find the next pin that acts this way the yes thats the next one to bind,

[Mister V]

But the problem I that when pin 1 is "set", I cannot lift pin 2, it's purely blocked...

[LockNewbie21]

I'd say try Lifting pin two then.

In each Lock there is a certain order you have to set the pins, expieremnt setting pins in diffrent orders.




Andy

[Shrub]

You useing too much tension or as locknoob says you should try setting pin 2 first,

Follow what i wrote out for you and Digital Blue's beginer exorcise and you will get the hang of it, if you are struggleing understanding it let us know and one of us maybe able to translate the basics into your language,

Start with small tension and only put more on if none of the pins stay up, as soon as one pin stays and the others dont then you have the right tension and shouldnt add any more for the other pins,

[Kaotik]

With Shrub i agree.

With one pin set whether it be 1st, 2nd ect. don't apply any more tension than needed to hold those one or two pins up at sheer-line, the other pins will let you know when they are binding.

If the other pins are difficult to lift then lightly ease up on tension but not enough to let the other pins drop, just go for the other pin that is binding in the chamber then repeat the process.

Unless there are security pins the lock should pop open.

[Mister V]

Thanks for advice.

Maybe the fact that it s a pad lock with a spring who take back the lock in the initial position make it more difficult to pick ?

It maybe makes me use to much tension...


I cant wait for having a "normal" training lock to use the beginners exercises, pin by pin...