newer locks..... ball-bearings and holes

by **steve0** » 13 Jul 2006 7:08

hi all, new here.

back in the day, my father was a locksmith, we used to practice picking locks together just to pass the time.
i havent done this in years, but now ihave a broken leg and am looking at 3-6 months of doing nothing other than reading books and watching movies.
the other day i was raking around in my toolbox when i came across my old snake pick, after more digging around, i found a tensioner and a diamond pick. i figured the opportunity was knockind, soi tried tp pick open my font door. of yourse it didint work (not that i expected it to after all this time.....)
well to cut a long story short, it turns out to be one of the newer locks, it has circular indentations on the key itself amd what appears to be a ball-bearing fitted into it as well.
are these types locks actually pickable, or if you lose your key would it just turn out to be a dremmel job :-)

thanx

steve

by **p1ckf1sh** » 13 Jul 2006 7:32

steve0 wrote:well to cut a long story short, it turns out to be one of the newer locks, it has circular indentations on the key itself amd what appears to be a ball-bearing fitted into it as well.
are these types locks actually pickable, or if you lose your key would it just turn out to be a dremmel job

I am not sure what you are talking about. Does it have a regular bitting on the blade and a few circular indentations above those like this:

Or is it that the circular dents are all over the key and there is no old-fashioned bitting like on this key?

Also, you are talking about a ball bearing fitted to it. To what? The key? Or is there one on the lock?

If it is a oldschool key like in the first picture, they are certainly pickable and not too hard as well. The little dents (and the ball bearing that would then be the counterpart in the lock plug) are just a profile checking mechanism which should interfere with picking the lock open.

If it is the 2nd key, we're talkng about dimple locks then, these can be picked as well, but I have no first hand experience with them. You might need special picks though.

If there is a ball on the key itself, it might be some kind of special security feature. Maybe you could post up a pic.

Might just as well be that the lock is considerer high-security that means no talk about in the public forums.

Oh, and you should not fiddle with locks you rely on. But as your leg is broken, you will probably not be leaving your place anyways, so you have no need to lock the door, hmmm? :twisted:

by **steve0** » 13 Jul 2006 7:39

oops, sorry, its the key that has the indentations, and the ballbearing, rather kike the picture you posted.
it shouldnt be a high security lock, its my house key???
and no, i dont have to leÃ¡ve my house at all, im just a tad bored so i thought i`d put my ol skills back into practice to have something to do.

thanx for the reply btw

steve

by **UWSDWF** » 13 Jul 2006 7:57

Can't help with out a picture or more specific details about the lock

ie; make, model ect...

also DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT PICK LOCKS YOU RELY ON...

and just in case you didn't catch that last part...

DO NOT PICK LOCKS YOU RELY ON...

by **p1ckf1sh** » 13 Jul 2006 8:02

steve0 wrote:oops, sorry, its the key that has the indentations, and the ballbearing, rather kike the picture you posted.

I have posted two pictures. I still don't know which one you are talking about, and where you see that ball bearing. Any manufacturer names on the key or the lock?

by **MacGyver101** » 13 Jul 2006 9:35

I believe that he's describing a dimple key with a captive, floating ball bearing. While it may not be exactly the same lock, Dom makes one which is described quite well on page 7 of this document: http://www.toool.nl/dom-ix.pdf

If that's the case, this probably isn't the best lock to start with, if you're trying to regain your confidence in picking... but would make an excellent challenge some day (when it's no longer mounted on your front door...). :wink:

by **steve0** » 13 Jul 2006 11:50

aha, thats the one, the DOM 1x 5ht (well it looks like that one anyway.
i cant see on earth how that could be pickable though, well at least not with standard picks.
thanks for taking the time for finding that aticle, i been looking for information on that/those type of lock(s) all day

steve

by **lockedin** » 13 Jul 2006 11:50

UWSDWF wrote:also DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT PICK LOCKS YOU RELY ON...

and just in case you didn't catch that last part...

DO NOT PICK LOCKS YOU RELY ON...

Oh my gosh, it isn't like you haven't done it :roll:

A few rakes or pin-by-pin pickings will do locks no harm.

by **steve0** » 13 Jul 2006 11:57

p.s. pickfish, my key is smilar the the 2nd picture you posted, but is actually exactly the same as the one on page 10 of the document posted by mcguyver:

http://www.toool.nl/dom-ix.pdf

steve

by **MacGyver101** » 13 Jul 2006 12:09

lockedin wrote:Oh my gosh, it isn't like you haven't done it A few rakes or pin-by-pin pickings will do locks no harm.

While picking the lock may not cause any harm, it's sometimes the other "gotchas" that cause grief. :wink:

In the past couple of weeks there was one post by someone who rotated the plug on their front-door deadbolt 180-degrees, and subsequently had to clear drivers and springs from the keyway (by repeatedly slamming the key in as hard as he could, if I recall correctly)... and another poster reported being struck in the face by the pins flying out of his dimple lock (similar to the one that steve0 describes) when he rotated it too far.

Sometimes it's not the picking, it's the unfamiliarly with what can happen when you manipulate a clyinder that doesn't have a key in it... :wink:

by **UWSDWF** » 13 Jul 2006 12:10

lockedin wrote:
UWSDWF wrote:also DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT PICK LOCKS YOU RELY ON...

and just in case you didn't catch that last part...

DO NOT PICK LOCKS YOU RELY ON...

Oh my gosh, it isn't like you haven't done it A few rakes or pin-by-pin pickings will do locks no harm.

I have and then I replaced a deadbolt on my front door

now smile pretty

by **lockedin** » 13 Jul 2006 12:11

Good point. I was just thinking of the Kwiksets on our front doors that many of us picked first and were like a rite of passage for us. But I didn't think of those other problems.

by **lockedin** » 13 Jul 2006 12:14

That response was intended for Macgyver, by the way.

by **UWSDWF** » 13 Jul 2006 12:53

lockedin wrote:That response was intended for Macgyver, by the way.

NO I want it he can't have it
:lol:

by **MacGyver101** » 13 Jul 2006 13:07

UWSDWF wrote:NO I want it he can't have it

Okay, okay... I'll share. :wink:

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