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by mh » 13 Jul 2006 17:33
Hi,
I finally got my hands on an ABUS X-Plus cylinder (as part of a bike lock).
A nice evolution of the ABUS Plus disc concept; they added a feature that blocks the discs from turning until the key is fully inserted - similar to the Abloy DBS.
That makes the key handling similar to a 'normal' lock - no misaligned discs.
I also got some breakdown pictures (of course), although this time I'm not sure if they are appropriate here. Let me know.
Cheers,
mh
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by n2oah » 13 Jul 2006 19:06
mh wrote:A nice evolution of the ABUS Plus disc concept; they added a feature that blocks the discs from turning until the key is fully inserted - similar to the Abloy DBS.
I believe you mean similar the Disk Controller (DC). 
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by mh » 14 Jul 2006 0:16
n2oah wrote:mh wrote:A nice evolution of the ABUS Plus disc concept; they added a feature that blocks the discs from turning until the key is fully inserted - similar to the Abloy DBS.
I believe you mean similar the Disk Controller (DC). 
You are right, it's actually more similar to the Disk Controller (DC).
Then again, it seems to work differently, as the Abloy DC is at the bow of the key; and the ABUS X-Plus system does have some properties of the Disc Blocking System (DBS) as well - not the 'block while you turn' property, though.
I couldn't find any detailed info on this X-Plus system yet - did I miss something? Or do you just happen to have one in your collection as well? A cutaway perhaps?
Cheers,
mh
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by greyman » 1 Aug 2006 8:06
Where's the photos of the Abus X-Plus, mh? Of course they're appropriate! This isn't the gardening group 
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by mh » 1 Aug 2006 8:26
greyman wrote:Where's the photos of the Abus X-Plus, mh? Of course they're appropriate! This isn't the gardening group 
 Not gardening, sure, I am just a little bit concerned, as these locks are currently only used in (motor-)cycle applications - as in automotive locks - so I wanted some guidance.
I hate to see my posts disappear to somewhere where I can't read the replies...
Plus, you are actually the 1st person showing some interest in these pics, so I wasn't sure if I even should bother with that.
Cheers,
mh
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by zeke79 » 1 Aug 2006 8:34
Breakdowns of the locks are just fine as long as bypass techniques are not discussed. It may be better if you place it in the lock breakdowns thread though so we have them all in one place  .
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by Shrub » 1 Aug 2006 8:54
I disagree, break downs of auto locks of any type should not be posted in the public sections.
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by mh » 1 Aug 2006 9:11
zeke79 wrote:Breakdowns of the locks are just fine as long as bypass techniques are not discussed. It may be better if you place it in the lock breakdowns thread though so we have them all in one place  .
All my previous breakdowns (quite a few) are linked here:
viewtopic.php?t=13478
(Member-submitted Lock Photo Links)
I agree, it's a good idea to keep them all in one place.
However, one of them disappeared to somewhere I can't read it anymore. So this time I wanted to save the effort unless a) it's interesting to others 2) it will stay here.
Cheers,
mh
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by Shrub » 1 Aug 2006 9:18
Well my comment was based on a previous convo with Digital Blue in that any auto discussion, tool discussion, lock break downs etc etc are not for the public forums, it was only last month i think so if the lock is on motor cyles then im guessing its not appropreate but im not the one say, drop DB or Varjeal a pm and ask them, that way you get it from the horses mouth.
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by zeke79 » 1 Aug 2006 9:34
I guess I misread your post mh. I thought you meant it was a lock for protecting a motorcycle. Is this an ignition lock for a motorcycle? Or just a padlock designed for locking a bike up?
If in fact the lock is part of a cycle itself then lets not post it in the open forums please.
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by p1ckf1sh » 1 Aug 2006 9:49
zeke79 wrote:I guess I misread your post mh. I thought you meant it was a lock for protecting a motorcycle. Is this an ignition lock for a motorcycle? Or just a padlock designed for locking a bike up?
If in fact the lock is part of a cycle itself then lets not post it in the open forums please.
I think it is an aftermarket item, a kind of padlock with a shackle that is dimensioned to go through the brake disc, therefore preventing the wheel from rolling. I might be wrong though, it has happened before 
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by mh » 1 Aug 2006 10:05
p1ckf1sh wrote:zeke79 wrote:I guess I misread your post mh. I thought you meant it was a lock for protecting a motorcycle. Is this an ignition lock for a motorcycle? Or just a padlock designed for locking a bike up?
If in fact the lock is part of a cycle itself then lets not post it in the open forums please.
I think it is an aftermarket item, a kind of padlock with a shackle that is dimensioned to go through the brake disc, therefore preventing the wheel from rolling. I might be wrong though, it has happened before 
Yep, ABUS makes aftermarket locks. The point being that the ABUS X-Plus range is used in their motorcycle locks.
It is not used in their general purpose padlocks yet (like the 'normal' ABUS Plus (w/o X)), for this there are threads on breakdowns/cutaways already.
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by zeke79 » 1 Aug 2006 10:54
Since it is motorcycle specific let's wait for Varjeal or db to chime in before posting any pictures. I think that would be our best bet. Sorry for any confusion as I thought this was just one of their standard padlocks.
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by devildog » 1 Aug 2006 11:20
It's an Abus Granit padlock, basically, that's all. It's a padlock with the regular Granit Plus mechanism, and it just happens to be shaped such that it fits on motorcycle disc brakes (or something like that) so it should be ok. It's an Abus Granit, really, that's it.
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by devildog » 1 Aug 2006 11:27
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