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by lockedin » 16 Jul 2006 12:28
What a cool little invention. Nice job.
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by NKT » 16 Jul 2006 13:20
Fourthed, or whatever.
Very neat. Better than my design, I think.
I've made one but it was either simpler or harder, depending how you look at it. I took a cheap automatic center punch, and ground down and slit a nail to replace the tip. The only issue is that there is no good way to turn the key automatically, which is a shame. Of course, your idea with the pipe on the outside would work for mine, too.
I was trying to convert a cheap nut spinner/impact driver, because that is designed to turn as well as punch in. Sadly it was too heavy and started the turn before the bump. Tended to destroy the key in very short order!
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by HeadHunterCEO » 16 Jul 2006 14:16
very well done
Going to have to build one of those
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by dmux » 16 Jul 2006 14:34
wow man, do if some how it can be made into an electrical gun, kinda like a pick gun but instead of moving up and down, it will move forward and back
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by bonez » 16 Jul 2006 14:43
quality gadget mate.

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by skedone » 16 Jul 2006 15:27
i used to use summit like that all day in one of my last jobs its the same design and everything its called a hellicoil automatic detang device i might dig one out and see if converting it would be easy
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by Gordon Airporte » 16 Jul 2006 22:13
Shrub wrote::lol: Ive done the toy gun walk until i started to feel like a weirdo walking around a childrens toy store without a child lol
hah, been there. I was into circuit bending electronic toys for a while.
Good point about dealing with mis-bumps. I think with a loose enough spiral and some lubrication the friction wouldn't be a big deal, but the spring used to bump will probably be too strong for twisting too.
Constant tension doesn't work well for me when I'm bumping by hand. I think the binding pins mess things up, but maybe it's just my technique.
My first idea was like the gun you're talking about - but I haven't thought hard enough about the mechanism, and I probably don't have the tools to produce anything too fancy anyway. It too would have to apply minimal twist pressure in case of a misbump.
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by NKT » 18 Jul 2006 8:08
Too late for that now!
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by jimb » 18 Jul 2006 8:46
HeadHunterCEO wrote:you should patent that
With my luck I would of just spent a bunch of money on a patent and ended up like Elisha Gray, who actually invented the telephone. Bell filed his patent just hours before gray did, then Bell used ideas from Grays patent to build the phone.
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by p1ckf1sh » 18 Jul 2006 9:38
jimb wrote:HeadHunterCEO wrote:you should patent that
With my luck I would of just spent a bunch of money on a patent and ended up like Elisha Gray, who actually invented the telephone. Bell filed his patent just hours before gray did, then Bell used ideas from Grays patent to build the phone.
Yeah, patents are kinda like the scientists/designers/engineers lottery. I wish I had a patent on something like the "#" key on phones or the "@" sign on keyboards.
Then I could build myself a house that resembles a giant euroylinder cutaway. And just in case you're wondering, there would be elevators where the pin chambers should be.
[dog sweeps glass bottle of the table with his tail, loud shattering noise wakes me up from daydreaming...]
Actually, I think with China being the way it is right now, the international patent system (which was a good idea certainly) is dead, pretty much like copyright laws. It's not protecting the poor man anymore, it just allows the big players to squeeze more and more money into the corporation and keep innovation out.
Today you need quite some money (anyone know some rough estimates required to get a patent for something? US, UK, Germany, whatever?!) to file the invention, there is a risk of it not going through, and then if someone actually infringes it you need even more money to sue them (if you can get to them). And if their lawyers are better, tough luck.
Due to financial limitations the light at the end of tunnel has been turned off until further notice.
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by eric343 » 18 Jul 2006 10:10
NKT wrote:Too late for that now!
Not in the US it isn't!
In the US you have a year to file a patent after you've published the design. (Europe you have to file before you publish.)
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by NKT » 18 Jul 2006 16:22
This is true. I doubt that a US only patent would make you rich on something so trivially copied, anyhow. You are more likely to get rich by getting kudos for posting it here than flogging them.
Patents are stupidly expensive, once past first glance. UK filing will only cost you £350 all in, but the lawyer to make it useful will be a bit more than that, depending on complexity. The fees are £0 for the first (5?) ten years, but then you have to pay steeply increasing fees to keep it alive for a maximum of 20 years (pharma gets 23 years) and that only covers the UK. Covering most of the big markets will cost you near £10,000 what with translation fees and hassle, and even then Chinese factories will be making bad clones of it for years before you shut them down legally.
You have to pay the lawyers to sue for patent breach, too.
The way that copyright & patent law should be, I think - You get to file for a small fee, that gets you protection, then you have 10 years to exploit it without fees. After that, you have to pay a small fee, or it becomes public domain. The fees go up over the years, up to a nominal maximum of say 25 years, after which you lose the protection, no matter how deep your pockets.
Copyright is now a federal criminal thing in the US, and a crime in the UK and most other places, which is utterly wrong. Steamboat willy, "Happy Birthday" and dozens of other copyrights will persist for as long as laws themselves, sadly. I mean, 70 years of free protection in law for writing a song or a post on a message board? Eh? Compared to millions to research and patent and defend said patent against billionare companies, and then only 20 years to make that money back? No sense.
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by mako » 24 Jul 2006 0:11
Impressive; but why not use a hammer?
" If you can't pick it you've always got the drill"
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by Krypos » 24 Jul 2006 1:11
hey- why not make it like an actual gun?
where the muzzle/tip of the gun goes onto the key, within the barrel is a minor spring force that applies lite tension on the key. (this is also where the key is attached- scratch attached, make it so it just slides into a slot) then the spring goes back from there to the back. then there is a second pipe that is the handle, the trigger would have to have a lever action goign on to pull the spring back to "fire".
then to counter ther spring being over twisted, the key only needs to be turned a bit to start to open it. so if the barrel only allowed the tension part to twist X number of degrees, then it would stop and lock (which could be UNlocked by a small switch on the exterior).
this would apply an automatic tension. and would be able to apply a striking force as well. it would be easily reset because you would only need to release the tension lock, that untwists the X number of degrees, and you just fire again if a second "shot" is needed.
it wouldnt need to be a realistic gun, but even just a pipe, with another pipe as the handle welded together perhaps.
unfortunately, i havent the access to such materials, but if someone else does that would make one, then go for it. all i ask is that i get proper credit for the part(s) that i came up with/contributed to.
i think that could work fairly well- what do you guys think?

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