kwikset max security

[bpc293]

yes i cant belive i bought one but i did i got a kwikset maximum security deadbolt from home depot. it advertised on the box 5 pin security system
resist picking attacks. does that sound like security pins? i get it home and open it up. theres no security pin's in it at all. i know it didnt say security pins but thats what i thought it ment. so i'm looking at it trying to figure out what it has to stop picking. the only thing i see is a extra row of pin holes in the plug. while holding the plug with the key in it and the bottom pins in, the extra row of holes are on the right hand side at about 1 O'Clock. is that the pick resistance if you pick it backwards the top pins get stuck in them. in side the cylinder theres nothing extra. so is that it if you pick it the wrong way it gets stuck. if i got it right is this common. i'm going to take it back to home depot soon. i'll tell them my dad fliped out when i gave him that peace of shi** so im bringing it back. or should i tell the truth.
should i get the schlage that was siting next to it. they both said the same thing on the box above grade two locks and pick resistant. will the schlage have security pins?

[p1ckf1sh]

resist picking attacks. does that sound like security pins? i get it home and open it up. theres no security pin's in it at all. i know it didnt say security pins but thats what i thought it ment. so i'm looking at it trying to figure out what it has to stop picking. the only thing i see is a extra row of pin holes in the plug. while holding the plug with the key in it and the bottom pins in, the extra row of holes are on the right hand side at about 1 O'Clock. is that the pick resistance if you pick it backwards the top pins get stuck in them. in side the cylinder theres nothing extra.

Can you send a pic of tht, I have trouble visualizing it. Are the holes full size or just a little or something? Do they go into the keyway? The way I understand it the plug will even trap the top pins when you have a legit key in it and turn too far...

so is that it if you pick it the wrong way it gets stuck. if i got it right is this common. i'm going to take it back to home depot soon. i'll tell them my dad fliped out when i gave him that peace of shi** so im bringing it back. or should i tell the truth.

I don't know about their return policy, but here in Germany you can only return stuff if the package is intact OR if the item is broken. Returning an item that has been unpacked, used, taken apart, reassembled... well, now that would make for a nice conversation. Especially with security products like locks (not that the Kwikset was really "secure" but you know edgy people are when it comes to locks, keyblanks and stuff like that.)

[pinsetter]

The holes you are seeing are for contractor keying. This has been covered many times in the forums here. Locks made for contractor keys have small balls in the pin stacks. The balls are tiny and equal one cut depth. As long as the contractor key is the only key being used the balls will stay in place, but the first time the homeowner uses their normal key the balls will fall into those holes and be trapped there. The contractors key will no longer work after this happens.

As for "Max Security" and "pick resistant": They are normal Kwikset cylinders. There is nothing special about them. When you buy the Kwikset Ultra-max you are getting the former Kwikset Titan, and you are getting one extra pin stack. These do not contain security pins either.

[bpc293]

its a five pin. those holes are just a little to small for the top pins to go in. they may catch i little but thats it. how would a key even touch those. does the face on the bolt turn or some thing because the contractors key would never line up with the pins.

[bpc293]

pickfish i need batteries for my camera. but when your pinning your lock and the bottom pins fall in and are flush with the bolt. identical row of pining holes are off to the right. so your pin holes are at 12 o clock the other row is at 1 o clock.

[pinsetter]

The balls are forced out of the pin stacks and into those holes when the plug is turned.

Kwikset "Max Security" is the new name for the standard Kwikset lockset.
They are the standard 5 pin lockset.

Kwikset "Ultra Max" are the new name for what was formerly the Kwikset Titan. That lock is 6 pin, but offers no other extra security than an extra stack of pins. None of the Kwikset locks that I've seen contain security pins.

Just recently all the Kwiksets were given new names and new packaging. They're still the same old contents though.

[lockedin]

"Max security," "high security." and "pick resistance" are common descriptions used by manufacturers for normal pin and tumbler locks. Be wary of buying solely on these descriptions on the packaging. It is very rare to find a high security lock at your hardware/big box store, except maybe for American Brand Locks or contractor grade Master Locks. If you want anything better, go to a locksmith.

[p1ckf1sh]

All right, construction keying was first in my mind as well, but I was under the impression that the "drop holes" for removal of the balls were in the shell, not in the plug. So I was misinterpreting that.

[bpc293]

holy i fell a sleep siting up in front of my computer. i just woke up
o thats bad. i dont remember puting up the last post

[bpc293]

heres a pic. I'm just trying to figure out what is pick resistant about it. the bottom pins are normal. i emailed kwikset to, i have received nothing from them yet.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g150/ ... edited.jpg

[CVScam]

I have an Ultramax kwickset and it has 6 pins and one of them is a spool. It is harder than a normal kwickset but the spool is pretty easy to figure out. It is a lot heavier than my other kwicksets and it feels a bit tighter.

[bpc293]

i could put spools in it but i just dont like how they advertised it. its the same old lock except for those holes. i will take it back before the weekend is over.

[zeke79]

I have a 5 pin kwikset that I have setup with 4 serrated top pins and 1 spool and it still seems like a waste of time to put the security pins into. Very easy pick, but that could be experience speaking. I am not by any means bragging as picking locks in the field often bring me back down to earth, but at home during practice it seems to be a waste of time to equip kwiksets with anyting. I have found that equipping schlage everests with 6 serrated top pins and custom bottoms pins that I have made is a fun pick. I have my wife in them for me disregarding macs as she has no clue to that. Some in the past have worried me as they have all been placed in new master pro series shrouded padlock bodies. It is an incentive to pick them though.

Most are picked using my check pin pick method picked in devildogs post about them, but some have been picked using an alternative method for security pins. I may post a video soon of that, but it will be after I get over this spider bit I recently received on my forearm.

This thing is gruesome. It is close to my wrist and has spanned to my forearm in three stings of red "veins" going up my arm in a few days. I have gone to the doc and had a few shots and one was in my back "ouch". I now have a 3" diameter circle around this bite and it burns tingly. Gotta get over this before a video before anyone says I have scabies or shingles or I am some kind of skank hehehe.

[bpc293]

thanks for telling me not to bother with the kwikset. the locks you set up sounds like it might be very difficult for me.

what kind of spider did that.

[zeke79]

I nor the doctor knows yet. It's to early to tell.