Lock designs

[keytonothing00]

If I've learned anything from wandering around on these forums, reading lockpicking guides, and practicing picking in the last few days it is just how insecure most locks are. I hear people saying it all the time. Enter this thread.

As a lockpicking community, most of the members on this forum have a good grasp on how locks work and why (the veterans more so than the newer people like myself). So I think it would be interesting to see what some of you could come up with for a new, more secure lock.


P.S. If this is in the wrong place feel free to move it.

[Shrub]

Not wrong but covered many times before and in a few threads in great detail, have a search around for the existing threads,

[illusion]

There is one majorly long thread about this... Had some good ideas, including one I particularly liked by Varjeal.

[keytonothing00]

Ok, sorry about that lol. I did search, but I guess not well enough. Anyone got a link?

[greyman]

People have been trying for hundreds of years to invent the unpickable lock. They're still at it. Some locks come pretty close to this ideal, eg sidebar locks and certain lever locks. It all depends on how you define "picking". If you include impressioning, decoding, minute inspection of the mechanism, etc, then there's probably no unpickable lock, at least mechanical ones that is. Theoretically you could build a machaine that goes through each possible key, one at a time, until it arrives at the right combo. This idea would work for any lock. So you also have to say how long you want it to take...

[getyourgun]

there is no such thing as an unpickable lock theres only hard locks to pick because no matter how hard companys try to make an unpickable lock somebody will come a long one day and find a way of to pick it an thats how new technolgy is born

[mh]

People have been trying for hundreds of years to invent the unpickable lock. They're still at it. Some locks come pretty close to this ideal, eg sidebar locks and certain lever locks. It all depends on how you define "picking". If you include impressioning, decoding, minute inspection of the mechanism, etc, then there's probably no unpickable lock, at least mechanical ones that is. Theoretically you could build a machaine that goes through each possible key, one at a time, until it arrives at the right combo. This idea would work for any lock. So you also have to say how long you want it to take...

Well... There are purely mechanical safe locks that require you to insert a small part (the key) into a carrier; then turn the carrier. You don't have mechanical access to the key while it's inside the lock.
I don't think today's technology allows for making a self-modifying key that could 'pick' the lock.
So in my opinion, some very few locks can still be considered 'unpickable'.

Cheers,
mh

[greyman]

mh, that's what I thought too about "herring" locks. Apparently though, Linus Yale junior invented locks like that - with detachable bits, and discovered that they could be impressioned just like a normal lever lock. So that's the weak point in the theory!

[mh]

I believe though, that certain mechanism like the Abloy disc blocking system are pretty effective against impressioning. It shouldn't be difficult to apply such mechanism to a lock like the RKL10. The pressure on the key will be evenly distributed, impressioning will not work.

Cheers,
mh

[darrel.h]

I was thinking a biaxial cruciform lock with some yummy security pins and dimples.....

[globallockytoo]

there is no such thing as an unpickable lock theres only hard locks to pick because no matter how hard companys try to make an unpickable lock somebody will come a long one day and find a way of to pick it an thats how new technolgy is born

I beg to differ with you. AFAIK.....Abloy Protec is physically impossible to pick. The use of the cage inside the cylinder means all discs are required to turn simultaneously....meaning unless you can design a tool to turn all discs at once...you cant pick it.

It is theoretically and physically impossible....

Then the cyberlock by videx....another cylinder that cannot be picked...please correct me if I'm wrong.