Non destructive opening of mortice locks . which tools

[blade2174]

hiya guys and girls ( got to be pc) firstly a big hello to you all .
im very new to locksmithing and want to become mainly Non destructive , i have looked at some curtain pics and have the following questions ,
(1) do i need to purchase various kits as they will only cover certain locks
(2) in your opinion what is the best entry level kit to use
(3) never having used these items what is the basic guidelines on using them . (not sure if you can dicuss that on line so will await answers)
thank you in advance for your help . chris

[Krypos]

curtain picks as in lock picks for locks with a curtain?

if so, i dunno. as for regular picks, etc, there is a new user page that tells you what all you'll need, a) to be a locksmith and b) what kind of picks are good to have for a beginner.

although, i think curtained locks are really only on vehicles, and autos are advanced material, so if thats the case then we cant help ya til you get access to the advanced section.

[CJM]

Under european section you will find all the info you need on the theory of use and which picks.

[Shrub]

Not sure what you mean by cutain locks on vehicles there krypos, a curtain is somthing on a british standard lever lock, it stops tools being inserted once turned,

Blade,

The tools i personally use a lot of and think you should have a look at are the Chris Belcher curtain picks, if you get the 5/5.5g and the 7g pair and again get the couple of differant wires for the newer locks and you should with a lot of practice be able to pick almost any lock on the market,

For non curtained locks go for a few of RB medical 2 in 1 picks,

The CB picks will come with instructions on their use and once you have them and had a go you will find a few posts on here on how to use them for individual locks, do a search on them for more reviews of them,

Mostly NDE? try and go for 100% NDE does take a lot of pracise though and theres not many that are actually true 100% NDE.

[taylorgdl]

SafeVentures also do a lot of tools for NDE work. But I think you'll struggle to use them without specific training.

Their curtain pick is easier to use, compared to Chris Belchers, but it won't open as many locks.

RB 2 in 1's are great (I've just got another!) but I hear that the Souber overlifters are better.

G.

[CJM]

Soubers 2in1s are now where near the quality of Rimmer Brothers

[pinsetter]

I think Krypos was thinking that the spring loaded dust cover door on auto locks was a curtain. I kinda thought the same thing for a while, but after reading and studying I realized that wasn't the case at all and it was simply a cover to keep crud and the elements out of the lock.

[Shrub]

Ah fair enough,

Yes also as said the Rimmer Brothers picks are second to none as regards quality and strength, souber stuff always breaks the tang thats on the tube part,
I know it was said the souber overlifters of which i dont know from personal experiance but i would think its the same situation to be honest,

[illusion]

curtain picks as in lock picks for locks with a curtain?

if so, i dunno. as for regular picks, etc, there is a new user page that tells you what all you'll need, a) to be a locksmith and b) what kind of picks are good to have for a beginner.

although, i think curtained locks are really only on vehicles, and autos are advanced material, so if thats the case then we cant help ya til you get access to the advanced section.

Dude, like what are you on about?

I'm not whinging, but if you don't know what is being talked about, don't jump in, and I can see you seriously don't. This isn't a rant, but if you really think curtains exist on cars, then you are soooooo wrong.

[parapilot]

Jeez illusion!! He's a little confused on the matter but trying to help! the US guys don't com accross to many BS lever locks to play with and understand.

I'll post a pic of a curtain if you have trouble visulising it Krypos, but the search should bring up loads about them.

[bpc293]

the old skeleton key mortise locks those would be considered curtain locks right. I'm asking

[bpc293]

thats what these are for right ?

[Shrub]

No they are just mortise locks,

The new locks that are british standard or old BS are curtain locks the curtain coming from the fact that there is a curtain that turns with the key so no further objects can be inserted,

[bpc293]

so just like a mortise but with a curtain?

[Shrub]

Illusion has posted pics of what a curtain is im sure but i cant find them,

Look at This thread,

The shiney silver disc part around the key hole is the curtain, when its turned nothing can enter the keyhole except through the actual stem hole,