Masterlock's New Keyway

[ThE_MasteR]

Masterlock think they are getting secure with their new keyway system...pftt.

[illusion]

What's wrong with it?

Considering some of the mo-fo wide keyways you get in the States, it's a step in the right direction.

That kind of warding actualy works well, and if they actualy make little 'teeth' in the wards it traps the pick and can cause some serious headaches.

Not as amazing as it could be, but good to see they are moving more towards paracentric keyways.

[ThE_MasteR]

I was thinking the same, that they are moving on too something a little more secure, but they also want to keep it the less expensive as possible, like all their other locks.

[Varjeal]

I think what your missing is the rest of the picture with the ball-bearing for the restricted systems.

[unbreakable]

Oh no, whatever will we do now??



It still looks pickable, very pickable.

But, maybe it just seems so. I'll have to get one when they come out. Hopefully, this will become a standard for them, meaning more pacentric keyways. Hopefully.

[lockedin]

It looks like the the M1 keyway got an extra "twist." It doesn't seem to make it siginifcantly harder, unless it is smaller now too. It is still far from paracentric. I need to get my hands on one.

[Hardliner]

I can't see that being much harder than a Schlage 'C' keyway where one simply has to get used to pushing the pins up with the pick held at an angle. A Peterson slender gem, or SouthOrd slimline should be able to slither up in there no problem. What model(s) has this keyway been seen on so far?

[devildog]

Try a Yale Y1, that'll be an unpleasant surprise if you're used to schlage C's. About the same tolerances as schlage, pretty much identical to them, except the keyway's nastier (it's a truly paracentric keyway). It's probably the toughest lock you'll find in common use--it is pretty popular, so if you haven't conquered the Yale Y1 yet that should definately be on your to-do list before you move on to anything harder.

[zeke79]

All this talk about paracentric made me think of this lock. I've had this one for a while now. It's an old evva padlock. On the left is a schlage sc1 keyway cylinder. There is a US dime in there for reference also.

[sturmgrenadier]

Hi. Rookie question: you mean that lockmakers know how to manufacture pickproof/highly pick-resistant locks, but that the cost is prohibitive for mass prdocution and sale? In other words, in lock manufacturing, security and cost-effectiveness exert mutually competing demands. And it is within the inevitable balance between them that lockpickers are still able to ply their trade?

[devildog]

Bingo. It's not that the makers of low security locks don't know how to increase the resistance to bypass, it's that the market doesn't see the value in that and therefore won't pay the premium for it (translation: there's no demand for bypass resistant locks outside the high-security market)--people who want kwikset prices just aren't going to pay for Medecos no matter how well you sell it to them.

[ThE_MasteR]

In example, the Masterlock Comination lock (not the resetteble one). In the TOOOL video, they mentionned that, to eliminate the padlock shim vulneribility, it would cost 0.01$ per lock, the only reason why they don't do it, is that 0.01$ X 1,000,000 locks, is a lot more money, so they don't do it.

[Omikron]

This is also a money making tactic. By chaning the keyway to a newly created one, they become the only supplier of the new blanks. Companies usually try to change things up once in a while just to keep people on their toes.