Amer. Series700 Breakdown

by **Kaotik** » 27 Jul 2006 1:05

Serviced 3 of these today for a fellow and thought I would take some photos of one while I was at it.

I did a search and surprisingly no breakdowns for this lock came up also, hope the pics are clear enough for you guys to make out the pins.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/K ... leBody.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/K ... erPins.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/K ... ernals.jpg

by **ThE_MasteR** » 27 Jul 2006 1:29

Nice breakdown, but I don't think that's an american cylinder. American locks use spools as top pins, and serrated bottom pins. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

by **devildog** » 27 Jul 2006 1:32

Yick, a little rusty on the ends of the shackle.

Hey, I've got a question: what kind of grease are you supposed to use for the ball bearings and locking area of the shackle? I've seen blue stuff and clear stuff. I use white lithium grease because that's what Ace had and it came in an aerosol can.

by **raimundo** » 27 Jul 2006 10:00

Hey devilpup, you use the ky motion lotion on it.

by **ThE_MasteR** » 27 Jul 2006 10:15

raimundo wrote:Hey devilpup, you use the ky motion lotion on it.

Hmm sounds good to me

by **quickpicks** » 27 Jul 2006 13:31

ThE_MasteR wrote:Nice breakdown, but I don't think that's an american cylinder. American locks use spools as top pins, and serrated bottom pins. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Guess what, you are wrong

American Lock uses serrated and spool driver pins. That one was probably re keyed at one time because the lower pins are usually serrated when its from the factory. American lock cylinders are not interchangable with Master lock cylinders because of the tail piece at the end of the cylinder. I will take some pics later if im not feeling lazy.

by **n2oah** » 27 Jul 2006 14:13

quickpicks wrote:
ThE_MasteR wrote:Nice breakdown, but I don't think that's an american cylinder. American locks use spools as top pins, and serrated bottom pins. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Guess what, you are wrong
American Lock uses serrated and spool driver pins. That one was probably re keyed at one time because the lower pins are usually serrated when its from the factory. American lock cylinders are not interchangable with Master lock cylinders because of the tail piece at the end of the cylinder. I will take some pics later if im not feeling lazy.

Guess what, you are wrong

THEY USE SERRATED SPOOLS, SPOOLS, AND SERRATED DRIVER PINS. MOST THESE CYLINDERS DO NOT HAVE A TAILPIECE, BUT RATHER A CAM!!!!11!!!12!212112!

AND I DON'T LIKE SEEEING 5000 BREAKDOWNS OF PIN TUMBLER LOCKS THAT I HAVE ALREADY SEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE LOCK POST IT, BUT IF IT IS JUST A PIN TUMBLER LOCK THAT EVERYONE IS ALREADY ACQUAINTED WITH, DON'T BOTH.

by **pinsetter** » 27 Jul 2006 14:18

I'm going to second that the cylinder pictured is indeed an American cylinder. American Lock uses both serrated and spool pins as drivers from the factory. I have also seen some that had no serrated key pins, or only a couple in some instances. The lock could have been re-keyed like stated as well.

Still, these are pretty good breakdown photo's.

by **lockedin** » 27 Jul 2006 14:42

Kaotik, thank you for the breakdown. I never stop being fascinated by the internal parts of locks. Not everyone shares n2oah's opinion, especially newer members who have not seen the alleged "5000" breakdowns of these locks. Keep up the good work.

by **ThE_MasteR** » 27 Jul 2006 15:00

n2oah wrote:
quickpicks wrote:
ThE_MasteR wrote:Nice breakdown, but I don't think that's an american cylinder. American locks use spools as top pins, and serrated bottom pins. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Guess what, you are wrong
American Lock uses serrated and spool driver pins. That one was probably re keyed at one time because the lower pins are usually serrated when its from the factory. American lock cylinders are not interchangable with Master lock cylinders because of the tail piece at the end of the cylinder. I will take some pics later if im not feeling lazy.

Guess what, you are wrong

THEY USE SERRATED SPOOLS, SPOOLS, AND SERRATED DRIVER PINS. MOST THESE CYLINDERS DO NOT HAVE A TAILPIECE, BUT RATHER A CAM!!!!11!!!12!212112!

AND I DON'T LIKE SEEEING 5000 BREAKDOWNS OF PIN TUMBLER LOCKS THAT I HAVE ALREADY SEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE LOCK POST IT, BUT IF IT IS JUST A PIN TUMBLER LOCK THAT EVERYONE IS ALREADY ACQUAINTED WITH, DON'T BOTH.

I feel the same way....JUST NOT AS LOUD :wink:

by **pinsetter** » 27 Jul 2006 15:27

n2oah wrote:AND I DON'T LIKE SEEEING 5000 BREAKDOWNS OF PIN TUMBLER LOCKS THAT I HAVE ALREADY SEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE LOCK POST IT, BUT IF IT IS JUST A PIN TUMBLER LOCK THAT EVERYONE IS ALREADY ACQUAINTED WITH, DON'T BOTH.

n2oah,

Let me start by saying that I'm not trying to start anything here and I respect your knowledge and contributions to the forum. However, I feel that this was a bit out of line. Not everyone is as keen on things as some. Sure you see breakdowns of pin tumblers all the time. Sure, you see a lot of breakdowns of American locks. You, I, and several here know that an American 700 series, an 1100 series, and a 5100 series will all use basically the same cylinder in a different body. A lot of people may not know this. Someone who doesn't realize this may see a breakdown of an 1100 series and think "Hmm, well there's a breakdown of an 1100 series, but I don't see one for a 700 series anywhere. So what will they do? They'll do a breakdown.

My thought on that:

At least they're contributing SOMETHING to the community. Would it be my place to tell them not to post it because I had seen it so many times before? Nope! The mods and admins here make those decisions. Hypothetically, imagine that you had just done your first cutaway. It was a simple pin tumbler. You were SO proud that you had accomplished what you had set out to do and couldn't wait to get in here and post your accomplishment. Now imagine that another member told you "Hey, we've all seen cutaways before, so don't post your pictures unless you've got something we've never seen before." Could that hurt your pride? It would probably hurt mine.

I said it already, at least the person was making SOME contribution to our community here. I don't think we should discourage that. There are new members coming in all the time that may not be as well versed as some of us. Someone may stumble onto one of these posts and find it useful. If the more experienced members don't find the info useful they don't HAVE to look at it. I mean, I could have looked at the title and said "Hmm, another American lock breakdown, I don't really need to look at this." And then I would have just passed it up.

I'm sorry if you think I'm coming off as a donkey because that is not my intention at all. I do believe that we as members should leave it up to the mods to decide what should be posted and what should not though and I don't think we should discourage our newer members from contributing their accomplishments.

OK, that's my 2 cents worth.

by **n2oah** » 27 Jul 2006 17:44

Sorry, it's been a bad day...

by **quickpicks** » 27 Jul 2006 18:07

well dont be sour on others because you have had a bad day :evil:

Cam, tailpiece, somtimes i confuse the two but that was just out of line.
There is no need to be sour here.

by **Kaotik** » 27 Jul 2006 18:16

n2oah,

No biggie, we all have our bad days, just some of those days it's hard to hold back from spreading the frustration.

Other members,

Thanks, It wasn't anything special involved but since the guy dropped them off I thought hey let me check out the site and see if there is anything on these regarding breakdowns.

Yes, the shackle was very rusy and weathered and most of the chrome was worn off (I think that one was used on his front bay door), they were for outside use on his shop building, that one was the worst of them though, the other two cleaned up very nicely with some fine steel wool and a little 3 in 1 Oil. As far as lubing up the ball bearings, the sliding side of the shackle and Actuator I like to use Lithium Grease (the heavy bodied formula in a can). The spray I will use anything with a PTFE in it (the can of Liquid Wrench I have works well for just maintaining locks on a periodical bases.

That lock I posted and one of the others were KA and the third lock was KD, so yes he had it repinned.

Cheers

by **parapilot** » 27 Jul 2006 18:35

Well said pinsetter. I feel the more breakdown pics the better. The forum is big enough for it, so it adds to the massive resource already available. Nice one Kaotik.

n2oah - if iv had a bad day or i have just got in from the pub, i ban myself from the pc, cos i always regret it the next day if i don't!!! :shock:

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