Master Lock

by **krazy k** » 28 Jul 2006 0:25

Hey all. I have a Master padlock that I have only picked once so far before I had my tools from SouthOrd with a hairpin and a flat screwdriver. When the tools came, I could not pick the darn thing with them (strange...so far I can open all of the door locks I have encountered, but they are Kwikset type locks though, so nothing fancy, but I don't think this has any higher security features, so I don't think I should be having as many problems as I am with this lock...I may be wrong), I think the problem is it has a very small keyhole, and my tools barely fit in there, so the pins might get overset just by the insertion of a pick and torque wrench. Does anyone have any suggestions (I don't know, maybe the slimline picks would do)? I will attach a picture of the lock. Could anyone also tell me if this type of lock has spool pins or any other security feature? All information would be gladly appreciated. Thanks!

by **DeadlyHunter** » 28 Jul 2006 1:35

Does it have any numbers on it? Also in regards to the size, sometimes a very tapered tension wrench can be very nice to clear up some room in the front of the keyway.

by **krazy k** » 28 Jul 2006 1:45

That's the problem, I don't know what number it is...doesn't say anywhere. I have a thinner version of a torque wrench (it's thinner than all the other ones I have), but there is a wide space at the bottom of the keyway (opposite of the pins, where you stick the torque wrench in) and the torque wrench doesn't hold in the plug because it's too thin...the other, thicker torque wrenches are quite large and give almost no room for my pick (I think as soon as I stick my pick in, some pins get overset...but I may be wrong, it might be something else like spool pins or something-not much room to work with-but I don't know because I have no idea what kind of Master lock it is).

by **Squelchtone** » 28 Jul 2006 23:33

krazy k wrote:That's the problem, I don't know what number it is...doesn't say anywhere. I have a thinner version of a torque wrench (it's thinner than all the other ones I have), but there is a wide space at the bottom of the keyway (opposite of the pins, where you stick the torque wrench in) and the torque wrench doesn't hold in the plug because it's too thin...the other, thicker torque wrenches are quite large and give almost no room for my pick (I think as soon as I stick my pick in, some pins get overset...but I may be wrong, it might be something else like spool pins or something-not much room to work with-but I don't know because I have no idea what kind of Master lock it is).

If you spend 5 minutes on Google, it's amazing what you can find:

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200319777_200319777

it's just a Master 140/150 dipped in plastic, so now it's a Master 141DLH (2 inch shackle)
4 pin, and I hear rumors of a spool pin, but mine open so easily, I think they forgot to put any security pins in them. :twisted:

see all the 141's here.. type 141 in search bar:
http://www.masterlocks.com/search2.asp

if you use our search function there was a conversation about this lock about a month or two ago. search for 141dlf which is the same body but shorter shackle.

happy picking,
Squelchtone

by **MacGyver101** » 29 Jul 2006 2:21

krazy k wrote:. . . I don't think I should be having as many problems as I am with this lock...I may be wrong)

Don't feel too badly; I picked up a similar one, keyed high-low-high-low, which has been giving me far more grief than it should. Perhaps I just got one that has particularly good tolerances -- but, all things considered, it's probably that life's been too busy for me to practice much the past few weeks.

You'll find at least one of the threads that squelchtone mentions here:

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=3418

by **krazy k** » 29 Jul 2006 2:32

Thanks guys! I was wondering if it had spool pins. Sometimes I get to the point where the plug turns a bit, and then when I go in with my pick again, the pins can't be pushed down...they just don't go down (feels like they just hit a wall). Anyways, I will keep trying at it anyways, and if anyone else has any more suggestions, I would gladly appreciate them. Thanks all!

by **krazy k** » 30 Jul 2006 0:42

I have been having other problems with this lock. With this lock, I cannot feel the pins bind and set. I can tell which pin is the binding pin (if not more than one in a cheap kwikset) and I can tell when they set...but not on this lock. I have been playing with pressure on the torque wrench, and still no success. Any suggestions?

by **pb2au** » 30 Jul 2006 11:35

I have the same lock with the shorter shackle. I've opened it twice, but it does give a headache quite often. It seems to have pretty tight tolerances for a master, although I don't think mine has any particualr "security" features. It's a tricky one for me too...

JD

by **Krypos** » 30 Jul 2006 15:08

a really nice thing to do if you are worried about needing slimline picks is to just buy one or two (maybe three) i bought a 14 piece set and added on 2 slimlines because i knew i would be facing some restrictive keyways, but being in the states i knew i wouldnt need SL for every lock, so i have 14 regular and 2SL. it really works well.

ps-i got the small diamond and short hook in SL. works great!

by **krazy k** » 30 Jul 2006 16:32

That is exactly what I wanted to do and those two are exactly the ones that I would like to get. The only problem is, it is not worth buying 2 pieces because of the shipping...it's like $5 at SouthOrd if you're under $20!

by **cL4y** » 31 Jul 2006 4:42

yeah all the Masters i have encountered have annoyinhly small keyways.Its the same with alot of small padlocks,but if i can't pick it,you've always got the drill*

* a saying by Mako

by **cL4y** » 31 Jul 2006 4:43

100th post :twisted:

muhaha

by **krazy k** » 31 Jul 2006 14:49

Hey, are the slimline picks just thinner or are they also smaller? Because there would be no point to have thinner picks if they're the same size.

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