Biometric combo?

[elan]

I'm a contractor working on a small non-profit health clinic in
Oakland , CA. I have the honor of trying to secure the place properly, with
little experience in the field. The alarm system it self will be installed by
a pro, but I must arm/secure the doors. Quite a task since their are 18.
We have decided to go with biometric locks and deadbolts, that all have keypad, and key back-up. I have tried to find the best models and brands for the money, but now I'm scared they are just to vulnerable.
Maybe add an Abloy?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

E.Rae
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[Krypos]

i used to live just outside oakland.

advice: go with laser beams. cant be beat there. and plus, in oakland, at a small health clinic there will be drugs, and where there are drugs in oakland, there are teen vandals getting high, so the only thing that is right to do is to get lasers. or just decent locks. IMO a decent schlage 5 pin lock for each door would be fine.

then again, maybe there are high level drugs and junk, novacaine and narcotics or something, i dunno. do something.

[SFGOON]

Wonderful Kryptos.

I'd let the pros at ADT handle this one.

Make sure to keep all your heavily scheduled items in a safe, and maintain exacting records on which employees had access to what when.

Also, secure your needles.

[HeadHunterCEO]

You need to get with a locksmith in Oakdale.
With 18 doors you can't just mount any hardware to your doors.
There are life safety issues to be considered as well as DEA regulations pertaining to the handling and storage of certain controlled substances.

[LockNewbie21]

Hands Down, medeco 6 or 6 pins for the doors, even though mastered keyed, thats probobly the best bet.

Every door have a motion activated IR Light with the spectrum directly over the door, if security needs to be tougher, have motion activated IR cameras set up and linked to a digital recorded.

Have a professional alarm specialist bug the place up from tree to toliet (Joke) But have the placed wired good.

As stated and sensitive or life threaten substances should be kept in a secured safe, that means very big very heavy, and secured to a reiforced surface.

Also as metioned, have a protected record of who ahs what key to where at all times, and never ever give anyone the safe como for any reason.

But your top priority is securing medical supplies, and also records. Alarm safe and most preferably a medeco master system for the doors is a must if there external, for internal, try sargent or best 7 pin master systems.


Newbie 21

[LockNewbie21]

O and depending on how crazy the junkies are, like in the city i live outside of, have a wired panic button to the police station.

My aunts and RN and they have a big thing about patient abuse acts being passed (they can hit you, but oyu can;t hit back) SO always have a higher Employee to patient ration in a given area.


Thats it i am done, I am going to bed.

This is all pricey, but compared to lawsuites for stolen information, and pharmasuitics, its a steal.


Andy

[raimundo]

The original post says that they are going with a biometric lock, that must be about an audit trail, who passed what time etc. the other post about the applicable regs would also mean panic hardware on outer doors, different types of areas inside, normally open, normally locked, even one-way opening, or a mantrap (two doors small corridor, buzzer controled) for any area that requires high security.

[Varjeal]

elan: As suggested before (and I'll back it up 100%) you need to hire a professional locksmith.

Besides just the security factor, there are the aforementioned issues that need to be taken very seriously.

1. Life-safety issues. You can't just slap a lock on a door (especially on a commercial business) and think its the right one. There may be, and likely is, specific types of hardware required by local codes that must be installed on your doors.

2. There may be requirements for handicap/special access that you are likely not aware of, including the type(s) of closers, latches, and other requirements.

3. Of course, security issues. Because of the type of facility you are talking about, there are code requirements for the minimum level of security for the locks.

Since I don't live in your area I wouldn't know the specifics of those codes, but a professional locksmith should, and it would be in your best interest to hire one to do an analysis and complete the required work.

No offense, but this isn't a job for a handy-person. A professional should look after it.

[p1ckf1sh]

We have decided to go with biometric locks and deadbolts, that all have keypad, and key back-up. I have tried to find the best models and brands for the money, but now I'm scared they are just to <censored> vulnerable.
Maybe add an Abloy?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

I don't quite get it... Biometric with keypad? What's biometric about a keypad? Or do you mean a biometric lock with backup by keypad AND a regular key? If so what kind of biometrics? Fingerprint? Or fingerprint and keypad code to open the door and key for backup?

I am not sure if posting this is fit for our public forums, let me just say that much: Faking fingerprints is easily done if you know how and can get a sample of a authorized print. And these prints are everywhere. On average you leave 10-15 usable complete latent prints behind every day, on magazines, doorknobs, etc. If you are securing the outermost entry with that, an attacker might just try to go through the dumpster, locate items that presumably have been used by personnel and try some of those.

In some very cheap models you don't even need all that, there are ways to reactivate the print that was used on the last opening. If I were you I'd stay away from biometrics for the time being. There may be safe procedures, but these usually use iris scanning and the like. I think a transponder-key system would be best. I have seen something around here posted, that unites a mechanical key and a transponder in the head of that. Both alone do nothing, there is the mechanical and the transponder component. Benefit is that it is available with entry logging and you can selectively disable certain keys in case of loss.

[UWSDWF]

I think when he says bio and keypad he's refering to a fingerprintscanner with electric number pad.

The idea would be that to enter the area you must first have finger scanned and then enter you numbered passcode. the purpose of the keyway would be for incase of electrical failure.

[Krypos]

Wonderful Kryptos.

how come everyone does that? my username is KRYPOS. no T. is it because of that FBI thing? the kryptos code thing? its become a bit annoying and im sure SFGONE would agree with me.

seriously, when posting, how hard is it to scroll down and (if too difficult to remember) copy paste a username? i do it all the time. i dont feel like trying to remember how p1ckf1sh has his anem spelled, so i scroll down, right click, copy and paste into my post. done.

so please, lets all try to get everyones usernames right.

[UWSDWF]

no problem Kriptos

[SFGOON]

Maybe you could change your name to Kryptos?

[BloodFang]

In truth, if the doorframe is not thick enough, you can kick the door and make the deadbolt break the frame. But like it says in the greg miller mit guide:

"Before getting into the details of locks and picking, it is worth pointing out that lock picking is just one way to bypass a lock, though it does cause less damage than brute force techniques. In fact, it may be easier to bypass the bolt mechanism than to bypass the lock. It may also easier to bypass some other part of the door or even avoid the door entirely. Rememer: There is always another way, usually a better one."

[LockNewbie21]

Well said

he should put one of those double sided wafers that look like prison locks.

speaking of prison locks, i was watching an inside addition to some prison in chino califorania, and there like where going to let an in mate out noW!

It was a massive lever lock, the key was twice the hieght of his finger, and some of the lever bittings where 1/2 to 1 inch long.

Some serious locking action there.


There also had a story about an in mate who took something off his bed poked the circuit board of the electronic door and kept opening it for a laugh... dang inmate they crack me up.