Illegal? (Canada)

by **lil_hacker** » 24 Mar 2004 23:01

i'm going to outline a story... and could someone tell me the 'legal' aspects of it?

You go out to a party, and before it ends your brother/sister wants to go home early. So, you give him/her your keys. After the party you go home to find that your sister/brother isn't home and you have no keys to go in... You don't have a cell and you (by coincidence) have your picking tools. Is it illegal to open your own home? And let's say you did have a phone, is it still illegal to get in your home?

btw, this did not happen to me~ i just made it up. i still didn't recieve my picks which and am waiting on eagerly...

by **WhiteHat** » 25 Mar 2004 2:21

the brother/sister should have their own keys, but I'd reckon that if it's actually "your" home (as opposed to your parents' home) then it would be legal. after all, you own the home. if it's your parents home, the I'd imagine that it would be still legal, but if the lock breaks (somehow) then your in the doodoo with your mum and dad.

the ol' spare key under the mat is a good trick too. (although find someplace more obscure than the mat.)

by **deek** » 25 Mar 2004 5:54

As far as I know, if you own the lock you can do what you like to it.
Although it might not look so good to your neighbours.

by **quicklocks** » 25 Mar 2004 8:25

you will probaly spend the night in the cell of the local nick unless

a helpful neibourhood watch person doesnt see you messing with the door. they will mistake you for a thief and call the police

the police person who turns up isnt going to beleve your story (i was at a party...and i had my lock picks in my pocket) if you are lucky and its not to late if you dont have id linking you to the property and the police person isnt in a bad mood you may be lucky and get a neihbour to identify you.

the moral of this story is if you are locked out your own property and are going to pick the locks to get in dont be seen doing it

think from the other persons veiw

here endth the lesson

by **CitySpider** » 25 Mar 2004 11:34

I didn't want to answer because I'm not Canadian, but I have to ask:

Why in the world would it be illegal to pick your own front door?

I've forgotten my keys on a couple indications. Broken into my own car two or three times, my own house four or five (one time, I ripped a windowscreen out and climbed in through an unlocked window).

Does that mean that I'm guilty of three counts of breaking into a car, five counts of breaking into a house, and one count of destruction of property?

If I were a Police Officer (notice me thinking from the other point of view), I'd be much more likely to ask to look at your driver's license, ask what name is on the mail in the mailbox, ask what's in _that_ room if I look through _that_ window, ask your license plate number and run a check to see if it matches the address, etc etc etc etc etc, then arrest you on the word of some random neighborhood watch guy (who really ought to recognize you anyway, seeing as it's _your_ neighborhood, right?)

Just some more food for thought.

by **CitySpider** » 25 Mar 2004 11:40

On a couple INDICATIONS? Wow. I just woke up, sorry about that. There's probably more that I don't see.

I wish my typos were just like two switched letters or something. They're so much easier to see.

(really need an edit button, too)

by **Varjeal** » 25 Mar 2004 11:59

Legal aspects, huh....well. First, the illegal part is NOT working on your own door, so you're safe there. After all, it's your property, you can do what you want.

However, the illegal part is being in possession of picks without a license, so if you get caught, you're hooched, and it doesn't matter where/what your picking.

Sounds silly I know, but that's the way it is.

by **plot** » 25 Mar 2004 18:30

it's your lock... my theory is, if you have a key to it rightfully, then you can pick it rightfully.

by **plot** » 25 Mar 2004 18:32

clarification for my above statement before anyone jumps on me: anything that you have a key to that's in your personal possession. (house, car, shed, etc.).

this DOES NOT include, bussinesses, neighbors door, dorm room, etc.

by **lil_hacker** » 27 Mar 2004 0:21

my post got moved here! woo
annyyywhoo... what happens if you get caught with a pick or two? what's the punishment? and what happens if your friend's locked out of his own appartment, and he calls you to open it...

by **Varjeal** » 27 Mar 2004 1:07

I believe it's a stiff fine and may include jail time...most likely just a fine for first time offense.

Again, if you are not licensed and your friend calls you up to open his apartment and you agree, you're taking your chances....in reality the chances of you being caught are rather slim, but still could happen.

by **Dark Angel** » 27 Mar 2004 9:14

Do you guys actually need a licence to carry lockpicks,that sounds pretty harsh.I live in the uk and as far as i know there is no law saying that you cannot carry lockpicks.Although,the police would obviously wonder why you had them on you,if you was stopped.

by **Varjeal** » 27 Mar 2004 12:59

U.k. is far different than here in Alberta Canada. The department of Justice issues a picture "Pick License" that you have to purchase and apply for.

by **i_want_to_pick** » 27 Mar 2004 17:42

What about using paperclips:?: They arnt B&E tools are they?

by **Varjeal** » 27 Mar 2004 17:47

If they've been modified to do such, they're still considered a B&E tool.

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