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Old lock/new key

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Old lock/new key

Postby stilex » 7 Aug 2006 12:15

I have a customer whose door has an old 2 lever Union sash lock. The dead bolt is in the 'open' position but there is no key.
The owner would like to keep the lock and doesn't want too much carpentry to fit a new lock.
Is there an easy way to get new keys for the lock?
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Postby horsefeathers » 7 Aug 2006 12:34

A customer of yours? What trade are you?

A locksmith could cut a new key to suit the lock, or simply replace the lever pack with a new set including keys.

Why does he want to keep the lock? To be honest, if it is a typical Union 2 Lever then perhaps for a tenner-ish he can get a new one from DIY places.

Is the lock really old and unusual?

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Re: Old lock/new key

Postby unbreakable » 7 Aug 2006 12:36

stilex wrote:I have a customer whose door has an old 2 lever Union sash lock. The dead bolt is in the 'open' position but there is no key.
The owner would like to keep the lock and doesn't want too much carpentry to fit a new lock.
Is there an easy way to get new keys for the lock?


Are you a locksmith?

I have a feeling your not a locksmith. A locksmith should be able to make a new key for you. As for doing it yourself, I know it's possible, but I think it would be fairly difficult. I think unless you have special tools, you would have to remove the lock,and take it apart, and somehow decode it, but im not sure.

I think a lockies your best bet.

Sorry im not much help, some of the UK guys will probabley be able to help you much better than I can.
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Postby unbreakable » 7 Aug 2006 12:37

Horsefeathers wins this round, by 2 minutes.

At least I wasnt that far off :lol: :lol:
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Re: Old lock/new key

Postby stilex » 7 Aug 2006 13:43

unbreakable wrote:
stilex wrote:I have a customer whose door has an old 2 lever Union sash lock. The dead bolt is in the 'open' position but there is no key.
The owner would like to keep the lock and doesn't want too much carpentry to fit a new lock.
Is there an easy way to get new keys for the lock?


Are you a locksmith?

I have a feeling your not a locksmith. A locksmith should be able to make a new key for you. As for doing it yourself, I know it's possible, but I think it would be fairly difficult. I think unless you have special tools, you would have to remove the lock,and take it apart, and somehow decode it, but im not sure.

Yes, it would be pretty obvious that I am not a locksmith!!
The existing lock is Union and probably was originally fitted when the house was built in 1950's
Should a new 2 lever union lock fit without any alterations to the door?
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Postby horsefeathers » 7 Aug 2006 16:39

I would guess so but best bet is to wait until Shrub gets online ...... as he probably fitted the original.. :lol: :lol:

If you can take it out and take case measurements, plus the distance from the front plate to the centre of the keyhole, and dimensions of the front plate then one of us can probably check catalogues to see if it matches today's locks.

Or you could visit Union's website (?) to see if they give dimensions for their locks.

Or you could whip the lock out and pop to B+Q and offer it up to a new lock.

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Postby toomush2drink » 7 Aug 2006 17:33

A lot of union simple locks (ie 2/3 levers) have precut keys, just take it to a locksmith shop and ask for a key.Making a key to the lock is a very easy task anyway for a locksmith if they dont have one hanging on a peg somewhere.
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Postby Shrub » 7 Aug 2006 17:47

And its not insurance approved by the way,

Horse feathers, im not that old you cheeky bugger lol (and been a lockie for even less)
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Postby stilex » 7 Aug 2006 18:08

Shrub wrote:And its not insurance approved by the way,

Horse feathers, im not that old you cheeky bugger lol (and been a lockie for even less)


Thanks Guys
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Postby stilex » 7 Aug 2006 18:10

stilex wrote:
Shrub wrote:And its not insurance approved by the way,

Horse feathers, im not that old you cheeky bugger lol (and been a lockie for even less)


Thanks Guys


It's an internal door.
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Postby Shrub » 7 Aug 2006 18:13

Ah thats fine then,
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