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by numale » 8 Aug 2006 1:57
How secure is this Medeco Tara II handleset lock? It appears it is biaxial.
http://www.medeco.com/products/pdfs/LT- ... 0II%20.pdf
I have to buy a new handleset lock design as it matches the "look" that my condo association requires...it's the standard (very common) handleset design. Appearance wise, it looks just like their Baldwin handlesets.
I read on here that Medeco Biaxial was a good lock. I'm not that familiar with lockpicking. I'm from the U.S. and it appears all the highly rated locks are from European countries. I don't really know where else to look...my head is spinning from all the google searches.
Any help would be greatly appreciated if you could comment on this lock or any other company that has a handleset like it. It can't be Mortice, just a standard double hole lock...but hoping I found the best lock for the handleset type design.
This is what my condo association has....so they look alike...hoping the Medeco Tara II is the best lock for this design.
http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN ... =100090068
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by numale » 8 Aug 2006 13:30
Okay, I've done some more reading. I read that the biaxial technology patents expired July 2005 for the USA, so I wouldn't want to get the biaxial option.
The lock in the link above says it has ANSI/BHMA A156.30 cylinder certification, which is "fully protected from unauthorized key duplication as well as UL437 Listing for protection against picking and drilling attacks". The deadbolt is ANSI/BHMA A156.5 certified with a patented and cylinder system. (Which I am assuming is good until 2021).
Something tells me that it isn't this easy. Is this as secure a lock as the link below claims?
http://www.medeco.com/products/pdfs/LT- ... 0II%20.pdf
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by UWSDWF » 8 Aug 2006 13:35
here's the scoop medeco biaxial is extremly difficult to pick to the point where it is not pratical to do so in a criminal setting.
The thing you should realize is that if a criminal wants in it will not be through picking. He will use a crowbar or somehting more destructive. If you are lloking to match the look of your condo go for it. It's an expensive but excellent lock.
Look deeper in your condos rules to see if a similar looking handle or one they have keyed is what is required.
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by unbreakable » 8 Aug 2006 13:45
f youre in a condo, loud entry (eg kicking in door, hammer, ) probabley wouldnt be used.
They probabley try to pick it or bypass it, or just target open doors.
So get a nice, pick resistant lock, like the biaxial, and make sure It cant be carded.
It might be safer to get a deadbolt as well, If the condo rules will let you.
Thats looks like a good lock that youve picked out.
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by pinsetter » 8 Aug 2006 15:49
You wouldn't buy a Medeco Biaxial just because the patent ran out?
In all seriousness and honesty, Medeco Biaxial is one of the best locks on the market. They are extremely hard to pick, and nearly impossible to bump. I say nearly because I've heard of one guy bumping one, but even then he had to know the correct angles of the cuts on the key to do it. The locks are also well guarded against drilling both in the shell of the lock and in the plug. I would not hesitate to buy a Medeco as they're about as secure as a pin tumbler design can get.
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by numale » 8 Aug 2006 21:27
pinsetter,
Well, when I inquired about ordering this lock. The salesperson said "Why biaxial? Are you trying to match an existing key. M3 is their latest technology which has a patent good until 2023. The biaxial patent expired in 2005."
I assumed the latest M3 technology was better than biaxial. Is biaxial better than their M3 locks?
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by Schuyler » 8 Aug 2006 22:02
A patent running out doesn't mean the techonology is defunct. It sounds like the person was just trying to upsell you.
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by n2oah » 8 Aug 2006 22:08
numale wrote:I assumed the latest M3 technology was better than biaxial. Is biaxial better than their M3 locks?
Not too much better. My suggestion is to NEVER buy Medeco hardware, it is just too expensive. Buy some nice hardware and then throw a Medeco cylinder in it.
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by yng_pick » 8 Aug 2006 22:10
I know the head Locksmith at my shop would prefer for us to sell Assa instead of the expired (maxum?) biaxial, but for the main reason of key control.
With the Assa, our restricted key has its patent- they would have to go through us to get the key made.
With the expired Medeco- someone with your key can get a duplicate made at a locksmith shop. Medeco is very secure against picking- Im not sure what advances the newest model has, but the expired one is still very good. If you don't plan on giving your key out to untrustworthy people, I'd say go with it.
I bought for a customer 2 double sided deadbolts and the Tara handleset a week or so ago- When keying up the Tara deadbolt, I noticed that it is five pin as opposed to the other deadbolts six pins. just fyi
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by LockNewbie21 » 8 Aug 2006 23:32
Yea it might be overkill, try a schalge primus, its sheeper, pretty darn good. My 2 Cents.
Or you could go for a Fitchet lock... thereeeee niccceee 
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by Schuyler » 9 Aug 2006 1:17
LockNewbie21 wrote:Or you could go for a Fitchet lock... thereeeee niccceee 
I mean, really, why not go all the way here? 
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by numale » 9 Aug 2006 14:08
locknewbie21,
I googled Fitchet and I didn't find anything. Do you know their website.
Medeco is the only lock company that I know here in the U.S. that sells higher security handlesets. I assume there are other companies.
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by n2oah » 9 Aug 2006 16:00
numale wrote:locknewbie21,
I googled Fitchet and I didn't find anything. Do you know their website.
Medeco is the only lock company that I know here in the U.S. that sells higher security handlesets. I assume there are other companies.
The correct spelling is "Fichet". Look for my breakdowns of the Fichet 480 and 787.  Too bad the 480 can easily opened with damage pretty quickly.
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by unbreakable » 9 Aug 2006 16:23
n2oah wrote:Too bad the 480 can easily opened with damage pretty quickly.
Thats simply because of the hideously wide key way, right?
How about a nice S&g 8400, with triple point locking?
Numale, you can get medeco's for a decent price off of ebay, 11.49 for mine shipped to Canada, its an older one, but still a biaxial with the Z keyway.
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