Question About Generic Door Knob Locks

[UWSDWF]

a plug spinner will work and can mess up at times to. he can also bypass the lock but that takes the fun out of picking it.

and the first rule about fightclub is... er.. umm.. I meant the 19th rule of LP101 is we don't talk about bypassing

Yea, I could have used a bump key too, but what fun is that?

Not terribly sure on how you consider a plug spinner to be a bypass device. You still have to actually pick the lock in order to use it.

a plug spinner will work and can mess up at times to. he can also bypass the lock but that takes the fun out of picking it.

notice the large dot.... it's a period or the end of a thought/sentence and i admit to truly express this the H should be capitalized.
therefore it was not suggesting a plug spinner is bypass, but that the door could be bypassed and that is what i said should not be discussed in a public section.

sorry if the function of the period confuses you.

[LockNewbie21]

Ahh the emotional riger's of being missunderstood.

Indeed a frustrating predicament for both parties concern.



Dang paradox i tell ya dang paradox.

[Bud Wiser]

a plug spinner will work and can mess up at times to. he can also bypass the lock but that takes the fun out of picking it.

notice the large dot.... it's a period or the end of a thought/sentence and i admit to truly express this the H should be capitalized.
therefore it was not suggesting a plug spinner is bypass, but that the door could be bypassed and that is what i said should not be discussed in a public section.

sorry if the function of the period confuses you.[/quote]

In all fairness to Earned Entry, I can see how it can be taken to mean bypass. After all why bring it up in the first place if not your intent to relate it to bypass? However, technically you are correct about the structuring of your post. But if you want to get technical you should have also said too instead of to

Really no biggie! It's very easy to be misunderstood on forum posts where we convey a idea or thought in to 1 or 2 sentences. Happens to all of us. Hope people are more forgiving when it happens to me next

[UWSDWF]

I only bring things like this up to claify my original thought.
If you're going to question what I said expect an answer.

[Earned Entry]

a plug spinner will work and can mess up at times to. he can also bypass the lock but that takes the fun out of picking it.

First off, unless you have two accounts to post under, which is confusing in and of it's self, you didn't even say this UWSDWF.

Second off, you come off as rather rude. Much more so than most of the other posts I've read thus far. I understand you're stance though. Why should you lend any courtesies to this newbie who's doubting other people's posts? Still no reason to be rude about things. Seems that quite a few people act that way towards they with few posts. They ask a question, which likely has been answered a few times, and they get flamed with "search noob" or other hostile posts.

Thirdly, I full and well understand the function of punctuation, much more so than many other users of the internet. Not only on forums, but also in gaming as well. Capatalization almost never happens either, which I also full and well understand. Yes, I did take my english classes in highschool. Failed 'em with flying colors, but I attended and learned none the less.

Fourthly, the two sentences structured together like that lend to the idea that plug spinning = bypassing. Re-read the two together again w/o the premonition of the two not being related to each other.

[Bud Wiser]

I figured it out!

Ok, I expect UWSDWF to hop in any time and say he never said he said that, and rightfully so, he didn't say that, thekemaker did. UWSDWF was replying to thekeymaster with his warning,

"and the first rule about fightclub is... er.. umm.. I meant the 19th rule of LP101 is we don't talk about bypassing"

so not to venture in the bypass direction.

Here is where it gets a little murky..

Earned Entry asks why plug spinning is considered bypass, but instead of the keymaker anwsering, UWSDWF does so in a manor that suggests he is thekeymaker, but is simply anwsering for him.

Now wait theres more!

UWSDWF's actual post is also unclear, we never talk about bypass? What about bump keys? Is that an exception? Is plug spinning a step away from bypass?

I do agree with with Earned Entry the post did seem a little rude, but UWSDWF has posted some very helpful things too. We all have our monents of temptation javascript:emoticon


Any way, this was kind of fun picking apart, may be it's time to drop it and pick on another post

I am now ready to get crucified for any mistakes I may have made

[UWSDWF]

First off, unless you have two accounts to post under, which is confusing in and of it's self, you didn't even say this UWSDWF.

I'm sorry could you point out where in my prior posts did I ever claim to have written that statement?

Second off, you come off as rather rude. Much more so than most of the other posts I've read thus far. I understand you're stance though. Why should you lend any courtesies to this newbie who's doubting other people's posts? Still no reason to be rude about things. Seems that quite a few people act that way towards they with few posts. They ask a question, which likely has been answered a few times, and they get flamed with "search noob" or other hostile posts.

I assure you this is not intentional, due to my dislike of Emoticons (expect this one cause it looks like he's taking a tough 'poop'), at times tongue in cheek statements tend to come off as rude, as I tend not to add them to "emotionally punctuate".
As for others "flaming of nOObs" with statements such as "Search", if you stick around long enough you'll start to understand when you answer the same question multiple times a day cause people are to lazy to use the search function.
Something else you may want to take into consideration is.... well I think Kevin smith said it best

...there's not much you can do about stopping this bile. The Internet's given everyone in America a voice, and everyone in America has chosen to use that voice to b*tch...

now I know that I am using it out of context but I'm sure you can see how it applies. This is an Internet forum, who give a flying ^%&$^% what people say or how they say it.

Thirdly, I full and well understand the function of punctuation, much more so than many other users of the internet. Not only on forums, but also in gaming as well. Capatalization almost never happens either, which I also full and well understand. Yes, I did take my english classes in highschool. Failed 'em with flying colors, but I attended and learned none the less.

That's good education is important, I failed an English class or two (made up the grades in the end run though)

Fourthly, the two sentences structured together like that lend to the idea that plug spinning = bypassing. Re-read the two together again w/o the premonition of the two not being related to each other.

I could see it this way I guess, but only, and this is the most important part, if I had absolutely no idea what a plug spinner was.
Look at it this way, as it is commonly known a plug spinner is not a bypass device, therefore to take this sentence,

a plug spinner will work and can mess up at times to. he can also bypass the lock but that takes the fun out of picking it.

and not reading it as,

A plug spinner will work but can mess up at times to. He could bypass the lock but that takes the fun out of picking it.

, is close to impossible.

Well I grow tired of this, but again EE I refer you to the post I made directly above the post I am replying to now. This will explain the prior post I made that offended you so very much and this one.

So. The moral of the story is; STOP TAKING THIS 'STUFF' SO SERIOUSLY

Have a Beautiful day,

UWSDWF

P.S. nice call Bud Wiser I started writing this 15min before your post (I saw it in topic review whilst I was previewing)

P.P.S EE lighten up man, this is all in good nature.

[Earned Entry]

I just get irritated when I read a topic asking a simple question, and it seems like it takes more time to say "search noob" than to answer a question or provide a link.

I believe Bud Wiser hit the nail on the head in his post, and I think this is all a case of poor typing combined with misunderstanding.

I still took offense to the patronizing nature of your post UWSDWF "this is how a period works, this is how a capital leter works..." etc etc.

It's all good though, water under the bridge really. I did feel a bit like an arse (wow I was going to spell that correctly, but there seems to be a language filter in place. A$$ comes out donkey. Silliness hehe ) after I typed that I saw your reply in another thread (plug pulling).

But it is what it is, and with all this nonsense we three have all strayed from the topic at hand. What was it again? Surely not an english lesson hehe.

[UWSDWF]

I still say that this > looks like it's constipated... thats what we were talking about, right?

[Earned Entry]

Yes it does, but I think some interesting results may be had if you place two icons thusly:

[UWSDWF]

or combine the two...

[Bud Wiser]

Where's a bump key noob when you need them

(jus kidding)

[kepiblanc]

We went out to get food, came back, and what do you know... his key no longer opened his knob. We tried and tried and jiggled and raked with the key, but to no avail, and all of our picks were inside (another reason everyone should carry picks on them at all times). Soooo, we drove down to the University machine shop, found an old hacksaw blade, filed two primitive hooks and a tensioner from it, rubbed it on cement to smooth it, and went back. It easily picked open in just a few seconds. The whole ordeal probably took 30-45 minutes. His key worked fine after that. Never did figure out what caused the problem.

Soo, I guess the point is, picking a lock can certainly break it... but it can also fix it! hehe. eh.. so I don't do that anymore...

ericm115,

Here's my theory on what made your friend's key stop working on his lock after you picked it, and then resume working once more after you picked it again later that night:

One of this lock's top pins might be of the security pin (mushroom, spool, etc.) variety. The spring which drives this pin stack might also be a bit warped, too. When you picked this lock and then reset its plug, this pin stack may not have been put back into proper alignment, thereby making it bind when the key was inserted. After you picked it again later, this pin stack went back in proper alignment, thereby allowing the actual key to make the shear line, so that the plug could rotate, and the lock would open.

It's still rather impressive that you were able to fashion some lock pick tools in such a short amount of time. I have heard some stories about other people being locked out for many hours just because they forgot to take their key before their door closed.