New found respect for Brinks

by **LockNewbie21** » 10 Aug 2006 9:06

Nope just get the false set and use the plug spring for Neg. plug rot.

by **mrdan** » 13 Aug 2006 4:54

jimb wrote:I've managed to get the cylinder out of this lock without doing any damage. Is it possible to remove the plug without damaging it?

So how did you do it Does the retaining pin pull out or push in. I would like to take the cylinder out but if possible without drilling the pin.

by **mrdan** » 13 Aug 2006 4:56

oops! I too have bad punctuation. Forgot "?" :oops:

by **LockNewbie21** » 13 Aug 2006 6:11

Its was answered re read the posts.

But to make it simple whent he lock is open the cylinder cocked to the side, you can release a pin buy using probobly a postal hook i'd imagie and pull out, i never did it i hacked the the thing out with a dremel becuase i didn;t know oyu could do this.

But yes the plug will come out, you will drop the springs and tops pins as well, so you would have to take everthing apart in order to put it back.. i may be wrong but i think only the plug is held.

Correct i am the cylinder is held by a pin in the right side of the lock, one could use this to cut a key if the person lost theres, or repin

by **mrdan** » 13 Aug 2006 12:24

zeke79 wrote:There is a short video of myself picking one of these locks on my website.

I can't get into your site. :cry:

I couldn't get a user/pass so I can only see your Public area.

by **mrdan** » 13 Aug 2006 13:13

LockNewbie21 wrote:Its was answered re read the posts.

But to make it simple whent he lock is open the cylinder cocked to the side, you can release a pin buy using probobly a postal hook i'd imagie and pull out, i never did it i hacked the the thing out with a dremel becuase i didn;t know oyu could do this.

But yes the plug will come out, you will drop the springs and tops pins as well, so you would have to take everthing apart in order to put it back.. i may be wrong but i think only the plug is held.

Correct i am the cylinder is held by a pin in the right side of the lock, one could use this to cut a key if the person lost theres, or repin

Yes, I found the plug removal post but I was wanting to know about the cylinder removal. Can one remove the cylinder without drilling the pin on the right? (Can the pin be removed?)

by **LockNewbie21** » 14 Aug 2006 2:43

AHh now you asked a hard one. Okay this may not be correct.. but from when i took mine apart, i could on see you removing the whole core fromt he top, meaning outside the lock. what i did was dut a little wedge out from under one side of the pin and used a screw driver to pull the pin out.

Tricky thing is i ahve the pplug in, yo might be able to.

If you can do me a favor and just snap a pick of the top part of the cylinder on the inside.. like the lock tilted and just take a pic of the hole, i or someone else would be able to see.

I might just go buy one, becuase there fun, and im back to work after the loss and actually have some scratch.

Andy

by **mrdan** » 14 Aug 2006 11:58

LockNewbie21 wrote:AHh now you asked a hard one. Okay this may not be correct.. but from when i took mine apart, i could on see you removing the whole core fromt he top, meaning outside the lock. what i did was dut a little wedge out from under one side of the pin and used a screw driver to pull the pin out.

Tricky thing is i ahve the pplug in, yo might be able to.

If you can do me a favor and just snap a pick of the top part of the cylinder on the inside.. like the lock tilted and just take a pic of the hole, i or someone else would be able to see.

I might just go buy one, becuase there fun, and im back to work after the loss and actually have some scratch.

Andy

I ended up drilling it out and got some good pics I will be posting later (when I am not at work) with step by step with pics on dismantling the brinks shrouded lock.

by **Ray_Air** » 23 Aug 2006 17:24

devildog wrote:Ok, I got off my lazy butt and found it: American 5300 Series

It could be the 5360, but I don't think it's that wide. And I noticed that the 5300/5360 are supposed to have boron alloy shackles--I guarantee you those Brinks don't have that, so you know they cut corners on it. In fact, I know they did, because I've got one of those Brinks shrouded shackle locks and I've got 2 Americans--I can pick the Brinks consistently in under a minute now, and it's got 6 pins high-low combo serrated and spool pins, and I can't touch the 5-pin Americans I've got

Brink's does advertise their 1 3/4" Shrouded Padlock as having a "Hardened Chrome Plated Steel Alloy Shackle". The alloy denotes either boron alloy or molbdenum. I just bought one of these today for like $10.80 at Wally Mart. The "Proprietary high security pins offer the highest degree of protection against picking" claim made me buy it. I'm going to play with it tonight.

by **Bud Wiser** » 29 Aug 2006 2:27

toiletplumber wrote:I got one of these locks and boy is it heavy... I have been holding it up trying to pick it for about 30 minutes now and my arm is getting funny feeling. I know that this lock is out of my league now though.... I thought it would only have like 2 or 3 security pins but 5 thats crazy. I might need to pick up an r70 to practice or repin my kwikset with some spools. Hey just a nifty fact, I got a brinks repinable padlock so that you can pin it to your house door and the driver and key pins both work in a kwikset.

If you think the 748 is heavy, try the Sargent 831B!

That is also a shrouded padlock but much thicker and heaver then the 748! Almost twice as heavy! It is also a little taller too. It was used exclusively for army amunition containers.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0018489569
And it uses a Medeco cylinder.

I have both, which do u think will be easier to pick?

by **!*AMP*!** » 29 Aug 2006 14:07

Let me tell you, the brinks shrouded is a heck of a lock...I'm yet to get into it. It has some overkill to it, but pretty nice overall.

by **Bud Wiser** » 29 Aug 2006 14:21

I picked the R70, the two models available, small and big. Both were pretty easy. I can also pick the Brinks 1-9/16 Brass and Brinks 2" Brass, both have security pins, are much more fun then the R70, but not too difficult. I just got the Brinks Shrouded and am working it now... this does seem like it will be fun

by **!*AMP*!** » 29 Aug 2006 14:34

Yeah, even though Brinks put both the R70 and the shrouded into the same security "bracket" the R70 is still a much easier lock to pick. Actually raking works nicely on the R70. I can usually get mine open in one swift backward motion...albeit with a heck of a lot of tension on the wrench.

by **LockNewbie21** » 29 Aug 2006 14:55

Well more or less there probobly focusing on Destructive rating... they are good. And for 10$ there outstanding locks.

Yes.. there are better locks out there... and also more expensive, American's are okay and are not what there cracked up to be, i picked mine in a short time and to say the least.. a complete waste of 30$... The spring cylinder you can do the same R70 trick with it a.d all you need is a thick wrench.

There are better than brinks but not godly.

I love the lock posted to.. the militray issue. Beutiful lock. I would sayw itha very good mounting surface, that could make destructive entry pretty freakin hard.

I am still expierementing with removing the plug retension pin formt he outside with no avail.. i will keep trying.

Americans are good locks though so don't take my post the wrong way. There shackels are great.. not as strong as the ABus granit... but tthere good

by **raimundo** » 30 Aug 2006 9:15

the key to picking brinks shrouded is light tension and being sensitve when the plug reverses

New found respect for Brinks

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