Masterlock 532...talk about a restricted keyway!

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Anyone tried to tackle the Masterlock 532? I recently got it and was surprised at its restricted keyway. Had to do some fiddling with my tools, but was able to get comfortable after a while with it. Here's the links:


[/url]http://www.masterlock.com/cgi-bin/product_detail.pl?sub_cat_id=D532[url]

I've only fiddled with it for about 20 minutes, but have realized it has some serious pressure on the pins. Yet, at the same time, it doesn't take too much tension on the wrench to bind up the pins. Plus, making it hard to even get a shallow hook pin all the way to the back doesn't help...anyone had a chance to try this lock?[/url]

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Man, I constantly get the url buttons wrong, hehe...:

http://www.masterlock.com/cgi-bin/product_detail.pl?sub_cat_id=D532

[devildog]

Need to see the keyway please.

[pinsetter]

You know, I thought locks like the Master 140 and some American locks had restricted keyways.....

.....then I got my hands on an EVVA DPS from England.

We have it easy here in the states where keyways are concerned!

[Schuyler]

I have a word question. The whole torsion/tension thing was cleared up recently, but is it a "restricted" keyway or a "restrictive" keyway. The first makes it sound (and I thought applied only to) keyways that are privately owned and you can only get key blanks to fit it from the manufacturer or their representative, because it was restricted. And the latter would mean that the warding was restrictive to your ability to pick it.

If this is another "this is just what it's called" things, I dig it, but it's been catching my eye lately and I thought I'd ask.

[jordyh]

I have a word question. The whole torsion/tension thing was cleared up recently, but is it a "restricted" keyway or a "restrictive" keyway. The first makes it sound (and I thought applied only to) keyways that are privately owned and you can only get key blanks to fit it from the manufacturer or their representative, because it was restricted. And the latter would mean that the warding was restrictive to your ability to pick it.

If this is another "this is just what it's called" things, I dig it, but it's been catching my eye lately and I thought I'd ask.

Good point, i guess.
If it makes any difference, I've allways believed that the words 'restricted' (hard to obtain) and 'paracentric' (usually uncommon and hard to move around in) are most common in use.

Yours,

Jordy

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I would say restrive then...as in trying to get the tool in there...I'll get a pic of the keyway too...



My problem is the space between pin and metal and top of the protruding bar, or lack thereof.

I found that if I pick it upsided down like a European lock (or my back door Schalge) it helps a bit.

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or, uh, paracentric...

[unbreakable]

I can see how that'd be tricky..

By the time you get your pick under a pin, you may have already overset it.

Have you tried picking it with a half diamond?
That might help a little.

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No, just fiddled with it for a while, but I'll be pulling out a half-diamond on it when I get back on it later today. The hook, like you properly surmised, when you manage to get it in is at the point of pushing the pin totally up. But I should be able to get it...we'll see.

[pinsetter]

I have a word question. The whole torsion/tension thing was cleared up recently, but is it a "restricted" keyway or a "restrictive" keyway. The first makes it sound (and I thought applied only to) keyways that are privately owned and you can only get key blanks to fit it from the manufacturer or their representative, because it was restricted. And the latter would mean that the warding was restrictive to your ability to pick it.

If this is another "this is just what it's called" things, I dig it, but it's been catching my eye lately and I thought I'd ask.

I believe your take on the "word" issue is indeed correct. The words are often misused, but the context usually gives away their meaning.

So yes, in the context of the question and following answers, "restrictive" is the better word to use IMO.

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kinda like the difference between hard to get into, and the response I got from the old hag at Lowe's when I had her copy a key that had "DO NOT DUPLICATE" clearly stamped on the key...but, er, that's another story, LOL.

MAN, was she a jerk...guess she never even noticed why all the keys looked like, well, in what she thought maybe, saws (they were BK's). But I
digress. At least she copied the freakin key.

From now on I'll use restrictive and paracentric. Thanks for clearing it up.

[Squelchtone]

No, just fiddled with it for a while, but I'll be pulling out a half-diamond on it when I get back on it later today. The hook, like you properly surmised, when you manage to get it in is at the point of pushing the pin totally up. But I should be able to get it...we'll see.

I just helped Ray Air get the 532 open in no time.

someone else (db) told me about pin 2 being a spool, so I only concentrate on pin 2, with light/medium tension.. use a snake and roll it over pin 2 until the tension wrench wants to return to the starting position, then loosen up tension, roll over pin 2 again and apply tension.. it will open.

read this recent thread:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=14726&highlight=532

good luck, its easier than you think, but I hope you have slimline picks.

[pinsetter]

As for the lock:

Make a tensor with a blade that will bind in the area of the keyway I've marked red. Fine tune it so that it "bites" a little bit when you apply tension. By doing this you can also use the tensor as a fulcrum point for the pick.
Now you have the area in the blue circle to maneuver a small pick.

This is why I've made so many tensors! If what I have don't work I'll make one that will.

[globallockytoo]

Restricted Keys refers to blanks that are not commonly available to anyone other than the particular dealer of that keyway.

Restrictive keyways refer to the broaching (keyway) being difficult to access.