need help to pick

[NeroZero]

when i try too pick the oins just fall down and dont get it to stay.. need help

[NeroZero]

sorry for doubble post but i mean pins*

[UWSDWF]

what you have is a tension issue

read these to understand the principles of lockpicking

http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-guide.html
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=588
http://home.howstuffworks.com/lock-picking.html

Cheers
UWSDWF

[unbreakable]

How well are you applying tension? If they're just falling back down, I'd say you arent applying enough tension.

Well, do you know the order to set the pins in?

If you haven't read it already, you may wish to read the MIT guide to Lockpicking. It'll help you out a lot.

So, try applying more tension, and let us know if that solves the problem.

[Krypos]

alternatively, do the pins fall down because of gravity? or is it that they are springy still? if they are springy still, then you definately have a tension problem, however, if they are just falling down and feel "limp" and weak, then you are doing it right.

either way, check out those links and also check out digital blues beginner exercise. that will help.

viewtopic.php?t=10677

theres the link for ya.

[pinsetter]

Do you know what vague means?

In laymans terms it means that you did not give anyone here enough information to possibly help you.

When you ask a question like this in the future it might be wise to include details about the lock you are trying to pick in the very least. Also helpful would be letting us know what tools you are using, what technique you are trying to use, and how long you've been picking and practicing.

Now, try asking your question again with enough information included that someone could possibly at least develop a theory as to why your technique is failing. "The pins won't stay up, please help!" is just way too vague.

[unbreakable]

Pinsetter has a point, but let me put it this way- Id rather be helping someone who asks vague questions on lockpicking, as opposed to a solid question on bumping.

All the bumpkey stuff is kinda starting to wear on me...
At least this guy still knows where it's at!!

[!*AMP*!]

I think we can surmise how long he's been picking...or at least his communication skills...but no critique, just agreeing with the crowd.

A good resource of visual aids can be seen here: http://deviating.net/lockpicking/topics.html

And one in particular for you would be here:
http://deviating.net/lockpicking/01.08-side_binding.html

which shows the ins and outs of a pind binding.

Good luck!

[!*AMP*!]

Oops, wrong one...this one's a bit more visual:

http://deviating.net/lockpicking/01.04-regular_binding.html

That's when you are doing TOO much pressure...so you just gotta find the sweet spot. Every lock is different.

[pinsetter]

Pinsetter has a point, but let me put it this way- Id rather be helping someone who asks vague questions on lockpicking, as opposed to a solid question on bumping.

All the bumpkey stuff is kinda starting to wear on me...
At least this guy still knows where it's at!!

Agreed! But still, for all we know this guy might be trying to pick an American 5200 or a Medeco Biaxial with a couple of bent paperclips. There's no way of knowing a possible answer without being able to identify his problem areas. It could be bad technique, bad tools, unreal expectations, no practice, or a combination of all of it.

Sure, if it is a Master #3 and he's using proper tools I'd say it's a tensioning problem, but if it's a Medeco and he's using bent paperclips as tools I'd have to say it was unreal expectations, improper tools, and lack of experience.

With the info he has given I will not even venture to guess what the problem could be.

[!*AMP*!]

Well, let's give the guy a bit of break...he's obviously new to this...so, let's like give em a bit of slack.

[Shrub]

Nero zero,

Is it a euro profile lock?

As in do you push the pins down?

Or is is a cylinder lock where you push the pins up?

Is there a name on the keys or the front of the lock?

What tools are you useing,

Let us know these and we can help you a bit more


Im guessing its still the TrioVing lock which you shouldnt be trying as a beginer lock, get yourself a simpler lock if this is the case,

[NeroZero]

okey know this it stupid but the pins should stay.. its a trioVing lock where i push the pins up but i use a safety pin as the pick and screw driver or what its named as tension wrench

[unbreakable]

okey know this it stupid but the pins should stay.. its a trioVing lock where i push the pins up but i use a safety pin as the pick and screw driver or what its named as tension wrench

Ahhhh........

Leave the TrioVing lock, and pick up something a little simpler, like a kwikset or a master lock.

You also might want to make or buy some picks, they'd most be easier to use.

[unbreakable]

Oh and Pinsetter, you were right dude......