Nemef penlocks

[E3D3]

Does anybode know how to handle a Nemef 1008.

It's a penlock, has on 3 sides 2 pins.
I read the it's impossible to open it with raking.

[unbreakable]

Seeing as this is your first post, welcome to the forum!!

But I'm afraid the lock you're trying to pick is advanced material, and thus can't be discussed in the public forum.

I would sudgest picking an easier starter lock, such as a kwikset or a master lock.

[Shrub]

Pen lock meaning a pin lock i take it?

I think its a cross lock which can be opend with a cross pick or home made version,

They open very easily with raking,

[unbreakable]

Wasn't this one of the crosslocks that TOOOL determined can't be bumped?

Sorry, I really thought it was an advanced topic.

[Krypos]

cross lock as in cruciform?

i dont know much bout them, but i do know i was surprised my brainless grandma has a cruciform lock on her car's steering lock thing.

[jordyh]

Dear E3D3,

As a salesman of the lock that you refer to (Nemef 1008 penslot bijzetslot), I can state that it's a popular lock that opens after some fairly easy raking.
I have not yet found out anything about security pins, but as fellow members have stated before: they rake easily.
The 'impossible' part is not raking. It's bumping.
The consumer report by tool is the only proof of this so far, but TOOOL is a good reference. (http://www.toool.nl/consumer-reports-nl.pdf#search=%22Nemef%201008%22)

I'd advise you to do a good search the next time before you have any questions, as a bit of googeling was all that you really needed to find out what I have.

On a more personal note, I'd like to say that it's nice to see someone from Holland on Lock Picking 101. I hope that you stick around, and if you have any further questions or want to talk locks or picking, you can add me on MSN messenger or PM me.

Sincerely yours,

Jordy

[greyman]

They are called cruciform key locks in English. They are sometimes used for residential/commercial but more often in safes, hence the reluctance to advise you on how to pick one. Having said that, they are not hard as long as you are "close" to them. In a safe, they may be a long way back, and that makes it a lot harder.

[Shrub]

They are also on cheap dead bolts etc,

I think illusion bumped one (a cross lock) and wrote about it on site,

[jordyh]

yeah, i heard that too, but as toool said that they did not succeed in bumpin this model... I'll take their word for it.

[Shrub]

Jordy, is that the Lips copy one? i nearly bought one last time i was over but didnt in the end,

[mh]

yeah, i heard that too, but as toool said that they did not succeed in bumpin this model... I'll take their word for it.

Depending on the key code, you will always find locks of a particular type that are more hard to manipulate (e.g. by bumping) and some that are less hard. I don't think that either of them has made a scientific approach to their tests which would include a statistical evaluation.

Therefore it's quite likely that one finds a lock that only others can bump (if theirs is pinned to another key code...)

Cheers,
mh

[jordyh]

Jordy, is that the Lips copy one? i nearly bought one last time i was over but didnt in the end,

I'll look into it, next time that i'm at work.


MH: good point.