pointless locks?

by **Azerith** » 4 Sep 2006 6:44

hello all, ive been reading these forums for a few months now and have finaly decided to post.

and what am i posting? well im from New Zealand and our local hard ware store is called Mirter10, i went to the friendly bloacks in a small town on my way home from visiting my gf the other week and picked up a $25 lock which clames to be sufficent for a shed door or something similar.

so i open this thing up and im like, kewl, $25 lock, this is gona be hard (i started picking on the old $5 pad locks, ie, Tri-sircle/abus) and i get out my half dimond and start single pin picking. whats the lock? umm hang on. HAHA!! i found it,. its a Sylvan Entrance set, cylinder deadbolt. (i dont know if its ment to be a good lock or not)

Anyway, after 20min of single pin picking i open it. and im like WOW, ok, thats a good lock. so after a few days of picking off and on i get it down to about a 2min job.

so im going through my picks and i come accross a funny looking thing ( L-Rake? its got LOTS of bumps) and i pop that in wondering what the hell it does, i lift it up a bit and feel a few of the pins meet the sheer line, i go to pull it out and wha!!! it unlocks the lock!!!
Now i thought that was cool, so i got that down to a 30sec pick.

on the weekend just been i decided to make some picks of my own, so i did. i have made a half dimond out of a pike spoke, the other end i *was* going to turn into a snake.

why was? well i got bord of fileing (hand filed the pick after beating it with a hammer to get it flat) so i sit down at our sliding door to the house (yes i know your not ment to pick your own house.) and away, in about 40secconds i open it. i thought that was kinda creepy, since i used the end of the pick that had been mushed with a hammer, AND NOTHING ELSE.

as if thats not bad enough, i can open the sylvan with it in less then 30 seccond also.

now this is all well and good but without evidence its nothing!

so tomorow when i get to work ill take some pix of the pic and the lock and find some where to upload the vid i took.

so yeh, if you can grab a bike spoke, beat it with a hammer, smooth it off a little, and open a lock...well... lets say i dont feel safe in this house any more.

Also i hope to get a lockwood(australian?) in the next few days so ill let everyone know how that goes.

by **Azerith** » 4 Sep 2006 21:26

okok, so no comments yet, that understandable.

so here are links to pix of the picks, and a link to the vid also. my first vid so yeh sorry about the tv in the back ground.

this is the full pick
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k9/Az ... MG3004.jpg

this is the end i used in the vid
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k9/Az ... MG3002.jpg

and this is the vid.
http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k9/Az ... MG2998.flv

now i know that at the very least a lock provides some level of security by deturing people. but serriously, how can you call something that can be opened with a bashed bike spoke a lock? its just very strange to me.

any comments are more then welcome, i hope to be makeing some more posts over the next month or so, so let me know if im annoying anyone and i can change the way i do /say things.

note - so after viewing the vid via the forum here i think i did a pritty crappy job of it. sorry bout that.

by **Krypos** » 4 Sep 2006 22:44

nice work man.

so you beat the spoke with a hammer? what surface did you beat it on?

by **Azerith** » 5 Sep 2006 3:46

another hammer thing. i can take some pix if you like, its a melot type thing.
basicly, big hamer went on the gravel, spoke on that, then me bashing the hell out of it for 60seconds or so. i filed it down a little, to clean it up. im going to get some sandpaper to clean the spokes with. i dont want to kill my locks.

i also have made a tension wrench out of them now, i was going to make one with a windscreen wiper, but aparently NZ doesnt have metal in them...

Thanks for the reply.

I hope to make a short vid of the sliding door so someone can tell me what sort of lock it is.

by **skold** » 5 Sep 2006 4:11

Azerith wrote:hello all, ive been reading these forums for a few months now and have finaly decided to post.

and what am i posting? well im from New Zealand and our local hard ware store is called Mirter10, i went to the friendly bloacks in a small town on my way home from visiting my gf the other week and picked up a $25 lock which clames to be sufficent for a shed door or something similar.

so i open this thing up and im like, kewl, $25 lock, this is gona be hard (i started picking on the old $5 pad locks, ie, Tri-sircle/abus) and i get out my half dimond and start single pin picking. whats the lock? umm hang on. HAHA!! i found it,. its a Sylvan Entrance set, cylinder deadbolt. (i dont know if its ment to be a good lock or not)

Anyway, after 20min of single pin picking i open it. and im like WOW, ok, thats a good lock. so after a few days of picking off and on i get it down to about a 2min job.

so im going through my picks and i come accross a funny looking thing ( L-Rake? its got LOTS of bumps) and i pop that in wondering what the <censored> it does, i lift it up a bit and feel a few of the pins meet the sheer line, i go to pull it out and wha!!! it unlocks the lock!!!
Now i thought that was cool, so i got that down to a 30sec pick.

on the weekend just been i decided to make some picks of my own, so i did. i have made a half dimond out of a pike spoke, the other end i *was* going to turn into a snake.

why was? well i got bord of fileing (hand filed the pick after beating it with a hammer to get it flat) so i sit down at our sliding door to the house (yes i know your not ment to pick your own house.) and away, in about 40secconds i open it. i thought that was kinda creepy, since i used the end of the pick that had been mushed with a hammer, AND NOTHING ELSE.

as if thats not bad enough, i can open the sylvan with it in less then 30 seccond also.

now this is all well and good but without evidence its nothing!

so tomorow when i get to work ill take some pix of the pic and the lock and find some where to upload the vid i took.

so yeh, if you can grab a bike spoke, beat it with a hammer, smooth it off a little, and open a lock...well... lets say i dont feel safe in this house any more.

Also i hope to get a lockwood(australian?) in the next few days so ill let everyone know how that goes.

If you get a lockwood, peek into the packet and try and get a high-low-high combo.

Mitre 10 is the most rediculously priced hardware store chain in the world.

by **Azerith** » 5 Sep 2006 5:04

yeh thats true. the lockwood is 2nd had of trademe.co.nz

im getting a wad of keys with it. all cut to the pinning though. but thats ok.

by **arris** » 10 Sep 2006 12:17

sounds like your getting the jist of it,

im managing to pick a few nothing like the times your getting tho

you say nothing else, but your home made pick but surely you used a tension tool?

rick

by **LockNewbie21** » 11 Sep 2006 0:09

Most of the time.. you will pay nto for lock quality.. mor eor less hard wear.. like a nice handle or knob(no pun intened)

Well done in the video.

I'd say to juice oyur lock up.. inquire at a locksmith or ebay or even here for a few security pins, and add them.

It will be the same lock, but then you can learn false sets.

Best of luck mate

by **stilte** » 11 Sep 2006 7:03

Forget Master, get those high security Lockwoods. They're great value for money in terms of security.

I bought a $20 Master padlock and picked it in minutes using my old paper clip pick. I bought a $15 Lockwood (clearance sale) from K-mart and it's still unpicked after days. Couldn't open it even with my safety pin pick, which was much better than the paper clip one. I'm waiting for my lock pick set to arrive before I try picking it again.

It's definitely got at least 2 spool pins in it. The tri-circle padlocks with spool pins look interesting too, and at an affordable price.

by **devildog** » 11 Sep 2006 7:29

Sounds like you got extraordinarily lucky and made a jiggler out of a smushed bike spoke that just happened to roughly simulate the shape of the key for the lock(s) in question...I've got a Falle-Safe rake that does that for an Abus Discus I've got: pop it in, jiggle for half a second, and it pops right open. Figured out what was going on when I put the magical rake next to the key for the lock and the two are almost exactly the same size and shape :lol:

Oh, and the 'L-rake' you described sounds suspiciously like this:

http://www.lockpickshop.com/p-SP-12.html

or this:

http://www.lockpickshop.com/p-SP-14.html

by **LockNewbie21** » 11 Sep 2006 7:50

The best lock i got as far as durability and pick proof to general public.. kinda.

Is a cheap but huge Aboly knock off, 7 rotating disck and roughly a quater inch shackle

for 7$ for a rotating disc?.. you got me

I have to post a pic of it.. i bought it at tractor supply.. still cant seem to make a pick that will tensiona nd open it.. ugh, but at the same time WOOT!

I bought on and put it on my shed.. haha my family was like WTF? what kind of key is this :lol:

by **arris** » 11 Sep 2006 16:17

LockNewbie21 wrote:The best lock i got as far as durability and pick proof to general public.. kinda.

Is a cheap but huge Aboly knock off, 7 rotating disck and roughly a quater inch shackle

for 7$ for a rotating disc?.. you got me

I have to post a pic of it.. i bought it at tractor supply.. still cant seem to make a pick that will tensiona nd open it.. ugh, but at the same time WOOT!

I bought on and put it on my shed.. haha my family was like WTF? what kind of key is this

lmao,

i would put my 340 on my shed altho i think it'd bring the lil thing down,

when i got it tho my family were like wtf, how big!!!!1

then my bro saw me keys and like i want one whats it for lmao

by **LockNewbie21** » 11 Sep 2006 17:41

Yea since lcoksmithing.. its quit comical.. when me an my girl friend would go to the gym.. We had Abus Discuc's on your lockers.. i am guessign she did i dont go in threre locker room.. did in high school though.. good old days :cry:

Any way it was so funny... there was lugage lock luggage lock, mast lock, master combo ABUS DISCUS

People used to ask WFT? i asked.. are you protected from identity theft?

Concideing half the kids int he day care area can probobly open you lock and take you wallet.. well you keys becuase the rattle

It good stuff.. jsut looked funny.. i mean it was the smaller of the discus abus makes.. and really they were extras i descided to use.. was either that or a brinks shrouded

by **linty** » 11 Sep 2006 18:57

even cheap locks with little resistance to picking are definitely not pointless since the percentage of criminals who'd bother picking them is almost negligable.

by **LockNewbie21** » 11 Sep 2006 20:21

Shimming was more my concern... if somebady learn to shrim an abus discuss let me know :lol:

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