Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Disassembling a wafer-lock-in-knob (handle)

Information about locks themselves. Questions, tips and lock diagram information should be posted here.

Disassembling a wafer-lock-in-knob (handle)

Postby ericm115 » 8 Sep 2006 22:02

I'm trying to make a key to fit a filing cabinet. I've been around to know that the easiest answer to give is "call a lockie."

I want to try to do it myself. I enjoy it. I've cut keys for several pin tumblers and one wafer lock using my dremel. I empirically determine the keying... I roughly cut a chunk out, then just shave off a little bit at a time until it works. The only problem in this case is that I can't disassemble this lock because I don't know how it's held in there. It's a 5 wafer lock. See the big pictures below. I wanted to leave them full size so you can see the detail.

front: http://i6.tinypic.com/29ftcgw.jpg

back: http://i4.tinypic.com/2rm15dz.jpg

I didn't have a good picture of the keyway and my buddy who takes pictures is gone. I sketched it out roughly.

keyway: http://i1.tinypic.com/33u965x.jpg

Certainly, some of you are experienced enough to recognize the keyway and model I would think. I would imagine that many filing cabinets are standardized.

What is the trick to pulling out the core on this thing? It's super easy to pick, but I don't know what else to do. By the way, when I pick it and turn it to lock or unlock it, the recessed circle on the side of the back of the knob (see the "back picture") rises and lowers. It is a cylinder that protrudes out of the handle/lock body to block turning once the thing is mounted.

Any help would be appreciated.


em
Image
Original image copyright Toaplan. This qualifies as "fair use" under US Copyright law.
ericm115
 
Posts: 112
Joined: 13 Jul 2006 0:56
Location: Columbia, SC

Postby Shrub » 9 Sep 2006 5:08

If you pick the lock and turn it halfway the wafers will be set at the correct heights, you simply just have to either measure that or guess the spacing off another key and start making educated guesses on the correct depth to cut,

Not sure on removing the lock but you may find its been inserted from the front and is held in with a pin on the back somewhere if you look around the body, otherwise some have a extra wafer or pin at the back that releases the lock once open,
Shrub
Moderator Emeritus
 
Posts: 11576
Joined: 23 May 2005 4:03
Location: uk

Postby linty » 9 Sep 2006 8:07

looks to be machined shut. hard to tell from those pictures though

if that's the case you are looking at impressioning or sighting the lock.
the blank you need is probably pundra (or y11, or n54g), bring the handle to a shop and ask to see if those blanks slide in, and buy a few of the cheapest one.

there are impressioning guides on this site.

i'll make an assumption that your lock has only 3 depths, there a good chance the cuts are 51513 highlight if you want to cheat :)
as for sighting, get a good light source and a small flat tool, like a lockpick with a broken-off end, leave the lock in it's normal position. looking into the lock you will see a certain amount of the wafer sticking up. if you see a lot of visible wafer, the cut is a 5, if you see almost none, it's a 1, if you see it halfway between it's a 3. put your broken pick in and push the wafers down one at a time to see the relative height differences between wafers and that will give you an idea of how the key will work.
this technique sort of requires a key machine and knowledge of the lock to use on its own, but as a supplement to impressioning it will make it a lot easier to find marks if you know what to expect.

does anybody know if there is a guide to sight-reading a lock on this site? i haven't seen one, but i'll make a proper one if nobody else has.
linty
 
Posts: 631
Joined: 26 Feb 2005 22:42
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Postby linty » 9 Sep 2006 8:08

oops, sorry for posting the cuts, forgot that the background is grey not white :/
linty
 
Posts: 631
Joined: 26 Feb 2005 22:42
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Postby Shrub » 9 Sep 2006 8:30

I dont think there is a proper guide on sight reading,
Shrub
Moderator Emeritus
 
Posts: 11576
Joined: 23 May 2005 4:03
Location: uk

Postby ericm115 » 9 Sep 2006 11:18

excellent. It will be a bit more challenging than anything I've done before. :D

thanks.

em
Image
Original image copyright Toaplan. This qualifies as "fair use" under US Copyright law.
ericm115
 
Posts: 112
Joined: 13 Jul 2006 0:56
Location: Columbia, SC


Return to Locks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests