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i picked my first lock...yay

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i picked my first lock...yay

Postby bree » 6 Sep 2006 22:30

hey i picked my first lock (master 140) and i cant get it again though... im thinking it might be luck but ive been getting 3 pins up on that lock but cant get the other one. im pretty sure the last one is all the way in the back
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Postby Octillion » 6 Sep 2006 23:30

Simple answer: Keep practicing.

Pick carefully, take note of how things feel, and try and visualize what might be happening inside the lock. Play around with the torque you are using, and see how things change. When you start getting frustrated or tired, stop and work on it later. Don’t expect it to come easy in 5 minutes, give it a few hours and then come back and ask more questions if you are still stuck. The most important thing you can do when starting out is to just play with the lock until you know it so well there is nothing more to do but get another lock.
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Postby ericm115 » 6 Sep 2006 23:42

That is said very commonly ("I can't get that last pin"), but it has always seemed the opposite for me. The last pin tends to be the easiest because it is, without any doubt, the ONLY pin binding, no matter how much pressure you apply. Not only that, there is no subtle pressure changes or plug turns when you set that last pin so its not really at the same level of skill (art) as the others. You simply press it up until the plug spins freely.

I think the much more common thing is that beginners (like myself and you, bree) are oversetting pins. They all may be set except for the overset pin. The overset pin gives resistance to the push, but no matter how far we try to push it, we never get a click or a plug turn. I think many of us assume that because of it's strange behaviour, it is the last pin.

What I do is (and it may be a bad habit) to wrench down the tension to find the most binding pin. I find the pin that does not move (as long as I haven't set it yet). Then, while easing pressure onto the bottom of the pin and relieving pressure and easing on and relieving and etc... I slowly let the tension down (each cycle of pressure, release, I let the tension down a tiny bit). I do this until the pin begins to move; as soon as the pin starts to slide, increase the tension slightly until it starts to resist pushing but still slides (you shouldn't be bending picks or anything... you aren't really putting your muscle into it... you just have to play around with the pressure until you figure it out). Press it up until it clearly stops or clicks (a movement, not a sound), or you feel something in the tension wrench. (And let me say, I have 5 Sargents and 4 Corbins and I have picked them all with this method... though I know harder torque is not recommended for "nicer" locks. I probably need to just get good enough not to use lots of pressure... but it does work often!)

Then, wrench the tension again and find the next pin that doesn't move. If they all move, you haven't set this pin yet. Feel around very carefully and try to feel whether or not the pin seems "stuck" up. If so, it's overset. Leave your pick under it and slowly release tension until you feel the pin hit the top of your pick and try again.

If they all move freely but the lock doesn't open, go back to that same pin and try to press it higher. Press it all the way as high as it will go. If it goes that high and never sets, it is a taller pin (a low cut). Let the pin all the way back down and start over. Keep in mind, some pins don't need to be pressed at all to be set. Some are set at their native height if they are very tall pins. These pins will fight more than the other pins at the very bottom and never set no matter how high you press them.

Keep track of the heights of the pins you think each one is as you go through the lock. It will make picking it the next time much faster. Also, note the binding order for the same reason.

Sometimes I start at the back of the lock with the last pin. To do this, slide your hook in as deep as it will go, then press it to the top of the keyway. Pull it out slowly until the side of the hook closest to you contacts the rear side of the very back pin. Thats a good way to navigate locks with lots of pins (and it works well on 4 pin locks also)

Try being very verbose as you pick (try to detail exactly what you feel as you pick... say it in your head or out loud). The more you can describe what you are doing and what you are feeling as you do it, the better you will be able to determine what's happening inside the lock and that's key to lockpicking. The more random and lost you are as your pick flails around the inside of the lock, the less effective you will be, the less you will improve, the more frustrated you will get with lockpicking, and the more lucky you need to be to open locks reliably.


Good luck, :D


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Postby Bud Wiser » 7 Sep 2006 12:33

That's the way I picked my first lock too, purely by accident I'm sure! But then after a little practice it got easier.

Try picking from back to front with very light tension. Try that a few times. Although I never tried the 140, I have tried a lot of masters and many of them seem to pick fairly easy from back to front. Some of them it seems all I have to do is set the first pin (from the back) and it pops open, or by the third pin.

The hardest part is finding the correct amount of tension.

Have fun!
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Postby CaptHook » 7 Sep 2006 23:51

The 140 has false sets (mushroom pins). Find it by lightening up on the wrench and feeling it move the opposite direction when you press on the "set" pins
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Postby CaptHook » 7 Sep 2006 23:52

Correction, spool pins, not mushroom.
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Postby Bud Wiser » 8 Sep 2006 9:43

CaptHook wrote:Correction, spool pins, not mushroom.
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WOW! A master with security pins? I'm impressed :)
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Postby bree » 10 Sep 2006 20:39

hey i tried picking my master 140 again with an L rake and after about 30 seconds of picking i released the tension and heard 4 clicks... the lock wouldnt budge the whole time.....does this lock have 5 pins cause im pretty sure it only has 4.... can anyone explain this?
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Postby ericm115 » 10 Sep 2006 22:58

It really might be a good idea to start lockpicking by single pin picking.

raking isn't going to give you a good feel for what's going on inside the lock and that really is the secret to lockpicking... decoding the lock.

It's a 4 pin btw: http://www.masterlock.com/cgi-bin/produ ... at_id=D140

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Postby LockNewbie21 » 11 Sep 2006 0:02

It's a 4 pin btw

Smaller ones have 5, there is a largr model with 5.. i have it. The best way to pick then is a very thick tension wrench.. warding will permit it.

You can make an L shaped tool and disengage the shackle latches :D I only did this at first becuase masters have a crappy construction so they can be a pain.. just a confidence boster i suppose.

Another tip.. you wont get a big negitive plug rotation.

Meaning when you lift a pin and hear it flick i crank the tension.. tollerences are so bad that the force will push it up so it helps :D

I had a thread on this some where with pics. If nobody say it.. has a good close up shot of the warding also for those interested before buying.
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Postby bree » 16 Sep 2006 0:12

woops ive been falling for the security pins......well ima read the post on how to beat those
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Postby Squelchtone » 16 Sep 2006 2:12

bree wrote:woops ive been falling for the security pins......well ima read the post on how to beat those


sounds like I have to make a 140 cutway this weekend, it's such a simple idea I'm not sure anyone has even bothered to make one for beginners to visualize those crazy spool pins.

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Postby Squelchtone » 16 Sep 2006 2:12

bree wrote:woops ive been falling for the security pins......well ima read the post on how to beat those


sounds like I have to make a 140 cutaway this weekend, it's such a simple idea I'm not sure anyone has even bothered to make one for beginners to visualize those crazy spool pins.

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Postby hurri » 16 Sep 2006 4:16

squelchtone wrote:
bree wrote:woops ive been falling for the security pins......well ima read the post on how to beat those


sounds like I have to make a 140 cutaway this weekend, it's such a simple idea I'm not sure anyone has even bothered to make one for beginners to visualize those crazy spool pins.

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Postby LockNewbie21 » 16 Sep 2006 5:58

Tryt he search function.. theres pictures here.. on tools site.. Krypto's site... jsut try lookin
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