Cross lock

by **atrix** » 27 Sep 2006 7:44

Hi all

There was at me an old Russian lock, with simple pins which opened easily. Then I have changed pins and now I can not open it :shock:

only with key :oops:

It has 24 pins:

At the left old pins, on the right changed

How it now to pick :?:

by **dosman** » 27 Sep 2006 18:50

You said you changed pins, did you replace the existing pins with security pins?

by **cL4y** » 27 Sep 2006 21:19

Whoa!

That lock looks pretty funky,never seen anything like it bfore.

by **I Pik U** » 27 Sep 2006 21:46

Looks similar to a Zeiss Ikon, Duo, and even Papaiz has a few models with the 4 sided key. Can be a tricky pick.

Other manufacturers have made similar keyways, but the quality and tolerences vary.

by **5thcorps** » 27 Sep 2006 21:49

Why so many pins on the right as compared to the left?
Were all holes pinned?
Not much info to go on.............

by **dosman** » 28 Sep 2006 0:17

It looks like each edge of the key is bitted the same, by the time you got to the 3rd or 4rth set of pins you would probably be well practiced at it. Now I realize what this tool is for:
http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... ProdID=302

by **What** » 28 Sep 2006 1:13

dosman wrote:It looks like each edge of the key is bitted the same, by the time you got to the 3rd or 4rth set of pins you would probably be well practiced at it. Now I realize what this tool is for:
http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... ProdID=302

wasting money? :wink:

to the OP, are you trying to ask how to put the lock back together?

by **atrix** » 28 Sep 2006 4:45

Hi all

In this lock were all pins such:

I have altered them in such:

with this:

i have no cross pick. From us in the country it you will not buy

Therefore I use:

or

But yesterday I have opened it

In this lock for full turn on 360 degrees it is necessary to open 4 times:

Sorry my bad english :oops:

by **illusion** » 28 Sep 2006 6:16

That's really cool Atrix.

I have one of those locks, although I haven't tried putting any security pins in. You may have just inspired me to give it a go though.

The cruiform locks you find on The Club steering locks onbly need to be turned one quarter of the way so no need to re-pick.

You get your hands on some neat ocks mate, keep it up.

by **dosman** » 28 Sep 2006 9:26

Is that a small DC motor being used as a lathe? Are you attaching the pin to the motor output with the brass mount thing? Could we get another picture of how the pin is attached to the motor (Or correct me if that's not what that is).

by **darrel.h** » 28 Sep 2006 16:12

yes it is a lathe and you would presumably attach the pin th what appears to be a micro-chuck.

by **atrix** » 29 Sep 2006 7:42

Hi all

dosman Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject:

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Is that a small DC motor being used as a lathe? Are you attaching the pin to the motor output with the brass mount thing? Could we get another picture of how the pin is attached to the motor (Or correct me if that's not what that is).

by **cL4y** » 29 Sep 2006 7:52

Is there key-cutting machines for these keys?

its the first time ive ever come across a lock with more than 1 row of pins.

Well,exempt from a Bi-Lock.

by **f0ku5** » 29 Sep 2006 8:02

dosman wrote:It looks like each edge of the key is bitted the same [...]

Just wanted to add that I don't think this is true. At least I have never seen a key being symmetric in such a manner (looking at my dozen of Zeiss cross-lock keys with no lock .. snief).

by **sams choice** » 2 Oct 2006 3:22

i will add that all sides are bitted differently. It is a cruciform lock. Illusion bumped it. That was pretty neat...

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