EVVA Key Blanks

[Mike40]

Can someone help with a source for EVVA key blanks for their Euro Cylinder locks. I am the site manager of a large comprehensive school and we had all the locks changed several years ago to EVVA locks. All were in a complete suite to make it easy for senior staff and myself to control access to the rooms. However the locksmith we used has turned out to be a complete nightmare and we are stuck with these locks for many years to come. Other locksmiths in the area cannot seem to source the Blanks, they are all willing to fit new locks however, so I am not sure just how hard they are trying to get these blanks.

I have tried many websites and searched this forum for suppliers but none of the websites show the key profile that I need. Surely it cannot be a unique profile?

Please Help before I lose what little hair I have left..........

[Mark A]

Yes it could be a unique keyway.

Were you given registration cards to fill in and send off?

If not then I suggest you contact the locksmith that fitted/supplied the locks and ask him these questions, because if it is a registered key system and you have not had the regisration handed to you then only they will be able to obtain further blanks/keys.

Mark

[Shrub]

Tell me, its not a girls school by any chance is it???

viewtopic.php?t=15456&highlight=girls+school

[secondcity]

where in the uk are you ? someone could point you in the right direction of a decent locksmith

[Shrub]

Draw us the profile on a bit of paper and post it up so any one of us can see if we can get you the blanks,

[Mark A]

I wouldn't advise posting a drawing of the key profile of a school cylinder on the forum for security reasons.

Contact a reputable locksmith and if they cannot locate or ID profile ask them why, because any locksmith should know where to go for this information.

Mark

[Shrub]

Well i will go along with your suggestion Mark but all one would need to do is simply walk up to the lock and see it, i wasnt asking for the key biting,

To then back track a little, tell us your location and one of us should be able to come and see you, i think pretty much any of the lockies on here will be able to help you out or know where to send you,

[Mike40]

Thank you for the replies and the PM's.

In response to those who say any locksmith can get these blanks...well it seems some operate a sort of Code whereby they won't source keys for other locksmiths locks in the area. Others would also prefer me to change all my locks, close to 200 in total, to a type which only they can supply keys for in the future. From a security point of view it does stop copying of our keys by staff or pupils "borrowing" a set of keys to get copied at lunchtimes, but it makes it extremely difficult for me when the locksmith turns out to be unreliable and extremely expensive. £200 for 8 keys!!

It is the same with any trade really, once you have a product only they can repair or service they have you by the short and curlys forever.

[kodierer]

No Drawings. I'm sure if he is a respected principal/vice principal/superintendent he can surely use a digital camera to get a picture of one of these locks. As hundreds of people see these locks every single day its not a security threat.
If there is anything written on your keys you can pm one of our great moderators with that information, and they can better help you get keyblanks. What do you need the keyblanks for? If the locksmith you've been using is a nightmare, and the other locksmiths won't get in blanks for you, then they probably won't use the blanks you order to duplicate keys if its a matter of priniciple as you say.
You make me suspicious. Most school staff wouldn't be caught dead in a lockpicking forum. Perhaps your a student looking to impression yourself a key into your school. Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but I see wholes in your story. Most reasonable lockies would duplicate your keys, or rekey your existing locks of you needed it done. Why? Because it wins them your business, and your money. When you have a problem again they would know you would call them instead of the pain in the arse you called the first time.

[kodierer]

edit:holes not wholes

[UWSDWF]

here's ILCO's eVVa selection



might help, might not either way it couldn't hurt

[acl]

It seems you have a restricted section there i doubt it would be any of the above. The reason other locksmiths wont do it for you is probably because the section is registared to your locksmith and no others.How many years ago was it installed?

[Mark A]

Mike40

As I said previously and ACL has said your locksmith probably holds the regisraton and as such, sole rights to providing further locks, keys or blanks.
I know of no such "code" locksmiths have of not supplying keys to locks fitted by other locksmiths, they more than likely cannot supply the blanks due to the reasons stated above.
I have never kept the registration of any restricted locks that I have fitted, choosing to pass this on to the client, but some locksmiths do keep it and I would say this is what seems to have happened in this case.

Whoever arranged these locks to be fitted should have made it clear that any regisrtation/rights of use should have been held by the school.

Mark

Mark

[Mike40]

I want to clear up a few points raised:

Firstly the members that have PM'ed me offering help thank you. The member who PM'ed me who I wont name in open forum, I am not one of your customers and have never had dealings with you.

Secondly, I am based in Wales UK, not the USA or anywhere else.

Thirdly, I stumbled across this forum after a Google search for Evva keys. Lockpicking is just one of many topics covered in this forum and after reading all the posts the search engine came up with I decided to register and ask for help.

As the Site Manager and for many years the Caretaker, I have vast experience of dealing with jammed locks due to broken keys and every imaginable substance forced into them. Unfortunately I was not working in this school when the locks where changed about 7 years ago by a local respected locksmith. He retired and a local mobile locksmith took over most of his customers. At that time he did not have much to do as the locks where all new and a large stock of spare keys where purchased before he took over. About 5 years ago a senior member of staff lost his Master key and we had all sorts of problems with missing equipment, stolen money etc. so the entire school had it's main locks changed. This was a job done by my predecessor who used the mobile locksmith. He has used a key profile that others cannot obtain or wont obtain for various reasons. Now that the locks are getting older and keys are wearing out we have discovered how bad a locksmith he has turned out to be. I have inherited the problem and need to sort it. It has got to the stage where I am having to re-cut keys that we have spares for to fit other locks. I have now run out of the keys that had high profiles, leaving me no choice but to pay rip off charges and wait for weeks before we even get those.

For those members who question why I would be on a lockpickers forum, well I have an in depth knowledge of Electrical, Heating, Plumbing, Computers, Networks, Door Entry Systems, Fire and Burglar Alarms etc.etc.etc. So why not Locks? Forums are excellent sources of information and help. I can rebuild most 3 and 5 lever mortise locks with ease but cylinder locks have been a mystery uptil now. Now I have found this place that has changed!! It's all part of my job. Money for maintaining schools is really tight, so every penny we save in doing jobs internally leaves more money for my pay rises!!!

I am reluctant to post in open forum the key pattern just in case the locksmith in question is a member. If someone can help and I can see who they really are I am more than willing to do business with them.

I hope that clears up the questions some of you seem to asking..........

[Mike40]

I agree with you Mark about the registration but surely there must be a source of blanks out there available to a bona fide locksmith??

Not knowing too much about this business maybe they are not. But that's why I have asked in here......