Master 930

by **cyloneus** » 17 Oct 2006 16:52

Aside form using MORE rather than less tension on the tension wrench, any help anyone can provide on the Master 930? I picked this up once I got my Master No. 5 down to under 10-20 seconds. Just worked for over 45 minutes and still not getting this one.

Thanks for the help.

by **Romstar** » 17 Oct 2006 16:58

This is where "pick-fu" starts coming into play.

While you are picking the lock, try to feel whats going on in there. If the pins keep falling back down while you are picking, you may need more tension. If they are too tight while you are lifting them, you may need less.

Bear in mind that for PICKING the lock, you use the least amount of tension you can get away with.

Opening the lock can sometimes require an enormous amount of tension just to get the plug to turn. These are instances where you need a small screwdriver or a specially made tension wrench to open the lock.

Just keep poking in there and try to fel whats going on. This will tell you a lot.

Romstar

by **UWSDWF** » 17 Oct 2006 17:07

FYI

Care of Masterlock Co.

by **Schuyler** » 17 Oct 2006 17:10

UWSDWF wrote:FYI

5-pin tumbler cylinder for added security

...Added security? Added!? Added to what!? Or do they mean, better than a 4 pin?

by **cyloneus** » 17 Oct 2006 17:13

Ya, I think my Master #5 said high security as well, but I can crack that one pretty fast and I'm not even any good at this.

by **UWSDWF** » 17 Oct 2006 17:22

this type of model (don't know about this on specifically) usually have spool pins in them from what I know of the contractor series

by **Schuyler** » 17 Oct 2006 17:24

Some master locks are actually a good challenge, some obviously aren't. It's good that you've gotten comfortable enough with your #5 to get it so quickly. If you can translate what it is that you're doing to open that lock into what's actually happening inside of the lock? You'll be well on your way.

I was actually working on a lock last night while my girlfriend was picking this little corbin cylinder I had laying on the bed, she got it, then started getting it consistently, and finally to a point where it would only take her a few seconds each time around.

She asked if I was proud of her,

I said, "Yes"

She asked if I would brag to my friends about her,

I said, "Yes"

She asked for another lock,

I said, "No"

And encouraged her to go back to SPPing the corbin, so that she could start understanding WHY it was opening so quickly for her. What the series of motions she was making with her pick was actually accomplishing. I told her exactly how it was pinned (ball bearings in the first two stacks, spools in the 3rd and 4th and master wafers in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th) and how to feel for the spools and how the ball bearings would effect her picking, etc. etc.

Unfortunately she's fairly stubborn and just demanded another lock, which she was unable to pick, and gave up on after not-very-long.

by **cyloneus** » 17 Oct 2006 17:30

WOW, sounds like she is getting pretty good at this. I don't know why this 930 is so tough, but it is. I think I will do as recommended and go back to the #5 for a while. Maybe work on my office door (I know, I know...bad idea).

cheers...

by **Romstar** » 17 Oct 2006 17:31

Schuyler, you're a harsh man.

It was the right thing, but that approach doesn't always work. :wink:

Oh well, she will come back to it I imagine.

Romstar

by **Schuyler** » 17 Oct 2006 17:38

Heh,

She gets so stubborn about lockpicking. I was half trying to keep her working on a lock she could get, as she gets a little crazy when she can't get one.

I'm making her a set of practice locks, and if I get halfway decent at making picks (gotta get some more grinder time in) I'm going to make her a set of custom picks with something etched in them.

I don't know how much use she'll get out of them, but I've been very lucky to have a girl who's given me so much support for my weird hobby. Maybe she'll even start practicing.

I'm on a timeline though, our relationship has an end-date, as I'm moving away, and won't go through another long-distance relationship.

... :cry:

by **cyloneus** » 17 Oct 2006 17:42

That's a bummer...a woman who will put up with such a wierd obsession....to where are you moving? Any where in Boston you from? I used to live on the NOrth Shore.

by **UWSDWF** » 17 Oct 2006 18:23

Schuyler dude you sig has gone bad

by **cyloneus** » 17 Oct 2006 18:27

I think perhaps this 930 may be a bit above my head. I am about ready to throw it through the wall. Any recommendations for a good next one after a #5?

by **Schuyler** » 17 Oct 2006 18:42

Grab yourself some practice deadbolts and key in knob (KIK) locks. Defiant, kwikset (is that how it's spelled?) Anything to that effect.

Yeah, my websites went down hard. Toool.us was unavailable for an hour or so there, as well. :\

by **Bud Wiser** » 17 Oct 2006 19:03

cyloneus wrote:I think perhaps this 930 may be a bit above my head. I am about ready to throw it through the wall. Any recommendations for a good next one after a #5?

Go for these masters, they all have spools, and or mushrooms, but not ridiculously difficult.

140 *
142 *
532
570
576 *
575

the * indicates a little easier but still good challenge

just stay away from laminated masters, they are junk

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