Looking for re-pinnable, newbie-friendly cylinder in Norway

[andreasm]

Hi everyone,
I've read illusions nice guide to re-pinning a lock, and it made me interested in getting a cylinder for myself.

I live in Norway, and most (door)cylinders here seem to have the euro/oval profile. Does this make re-pinning harder?

As I am a starter in lockpicking, I am looking for a lock without security pins. Are there any brands/models that can be recommended for my purposes, that are easily obtainable in Norway and not too expensive?

TrioVing (part of ASSA ABLOY) seems to be a popular brand here, but their website has no specific info on security pins. On ASSA's site the ASSA/Ruko 5-pin looks like the least protected cylinder, although it has anti-picking features according to the brochure. So, I don't know if TrioVing have any suitable models.

Summary of what I am looking for: re-pinnable, 5-6 _standard_ pins, not too hard for a newbie to pick (not very high-quality or tight keyway) and inexpensive

Thanks for your help,
Andreas.

[Shrub]

I cant help you on lock types but there are a few from your side of the world on here,

Euro cylinders are a bit more dificult to repin but easy enough once you know what your doing,

Have a look at This guide for more info, make sure you make the special clip,

You would be better sourceing a cheap Yale or somthign off ebay to be honest and following the usual guides,

[ASSA]

What you could do is just buy a cheap trioving and remove all but 3 pins.
open the cylinder very slowly so things will not fly all over your room.
If you are new to lockpicking. Read the MIT lockpicing guide over and over.
make sure you know it by heart. Only then you are ready to start picking locks.
My tip is that you train your self to open your 3 pin trioving with as little force as possible. This makes you way better in feeling exactly how and where the pins set. By just picking your first lock over and over again, there is a big chance you are just memorising how far you should push the pins. Where as if you pick by minimum force you will learn how to really pick, and you will then be able to apply your skills to other locks when picking them.

/ASSA

[andreasm]

Thank you for the advice ASSA

What you could do is just buy a cheap trioving and remove all but 3 pins.

I will probably go for this one, http://jernia.no/page?id=1053&key=69028&origId=1948 or this one http://jernia.no/page?id=1053&key=69037&origId=1948
Would the disassembly-procedure be similar to the steps in the guide to repinning euro's by sj?

I hope you understand that I want to buy something that I can get most use for, because I don't have much to spend

[ASSA]

yes, that cylinder would work. Most people would reccomend that beginners start off with more pick friendly cylinders, e.g. Kwikset. But since norway only uses cylinders with high spring tension, you might as well start off with that one.
remember to remove all but 3 pins before you start picking.
I found a even cheaper one on finn.no
http://www.finn.no/finn/bap/object?finnkode=8260694&sid=3aRKwT-Zs808315&pos=22&tot=22
The add does not say what type of cylinder. hopefully it is the 1800 model. this has the standard pins. the 4800 model has some anti pick pins, and the 5800 uses only anti pick pins. but if its the 5800 model you could just go to a locksmith and tell him you want some practice pins.

The Trioving you linked to is the same lock as the assa 1800, just another logo stamped on the front.

[andreasm]

I bought the 5537 (url), where all the driver-pins are of the spool type (a bit fatter in the middle), so I guess I will go to my local locksmith to get standard pins. Any idea how much such a small thing could cost, or if locksmiths (LÃ¥sgruppen) usually sell pins if people ask for it?

Thanks,
Andreas.

[ASSA]

The locksmiths will gladly sell you a hand full of extra pins if you ask them. If you live in Oslo there won't be any problem at all. You can find all sorts of interesting lock hardware in Oslo. I once found a mul-t-lock c-13 padlock on the gronland flea market for just 250NOK. In the original box, and with 5 keys. fantastic

I would almost consider using that padlock somewhere, if it didn't bump so easely

[andreasm]

Thanks for your help so far ASSA

Ok, I first went to LÃ¥sgruppen in Sandefjord. They did not want to sell me anything :p

I then went to LÃ¥sesmeden Larvik. They told me that there really was no standard (non-security) pins available for my 5537 or its relatives. All they could offer me was something they called steel pins, which had the right shape, but were also drill-protected. Although they were rather expensive, I bought them. I was told that older TrioVings might have top pins that were not spool-ish, but they did not have those pins.

Later that day, I also went to another locksmith in Sandefjord. I asked if he had pins without spool-shape, just like the ones i bought earlier, just not so expensive. He then told me that the pins I had bought were pins used in system-locks, where one key can open several locks etc, and that I could not buy those from him without proving that I administered the (nonexistant) system.

The new steel pins work well, and they have the same dimensions as the original top-pins. The bad part is that they are expensive (like 7NOK per pin :S). Are those the ones you meant ASSA, or am I just unlucky?

[ASSA]

I have repinned 5537 locks that did only have two or four security pins. but that was some years ago. It was probably the predecessor to the 5537.
A locksmith not wanting to sell you pins is wierd. claming that you need a security card for a master key system is just proposterous.
Praticing with security pins isn't a bad idea either. put pins in 2 or 3 chambers. change pins or chambers when you feel you have mastered the pin combination. using the same pins but in different chambers will make as much difference as if you would change to different pins.

Being able to pick locks in norway is useless unless you know how to pick security pins. TrioVing, EVVA and Mul-t-lock are the most common lock cylinders in norway. I estimate that TrioVing has 90% of the market share. And as we just found out TrioVing now seem to have nothing but security pins in all of their locks.
Whats the fun in that