Bumping

[carse]

very strange,
to hear from new members complaining, first you knew nothing about bumping locks or for lockpicking for that matter ,but as soon as you are able
to pick or bump a lock ,you as a so-called expert want to tell other people
they are not allowed the knowlege you obtained for free.

rather use your newly obtained craft to help other newbees.
i am more worried about voilent crime, ect, than to worry about bumping a silly lock.

i dont foresee people start roaming the streets ,bumping peoples front door
locks .
if barry wels thought it is importent enough to let people know, about certain
lock weaknesses, who am i to judge.


i think i will have my PROZAC now.

fanie.

[Stray]

personally i only see bumping as a tool for people who pick locks for a living, just like buying a snap gun, electric pick gun, or specialty decoder picks.

Sure they are interesting, and good to know about, but the only joy one can get out of it is actually building those tools and seeing if you can get them to work. That is where the challenge lies in them. where as lockpicking with regular picks, the challenge is in actually solving the "Puzzle" (all the more fun if you made the picks yourself).

So yeah Bumping exists, some people might use it, but for the standard gang bangers, and crack heads a rock or crowbar is easier to use especially in high stress situations like B&E

[charlied]

I own rental properties and I don't think I should have to destroy my own property or pay big bucks and wait half a day on a locksmith when I'm able to get into my own places.

I'm of (semi)reasonable intelligence and can change keys and pins out.

Anything to make the task a little easier and less expensive, where it's bumping or picking.

I'm not trying to take anyones business away or do something illegal.

[carse]

on the topic of bumping, just wandering if bumping is such a demeaning way of opening a lock , then raking a lock is actually falling under the same category as above .during the years i have notice guys moaning that raking is not really picking. all the mumbo jumbo about the so- called art.
as for raymundo, yes your raking picks started something , my whole garage is plastered with lock photos , bogota rakes,ect. i don,t see anybody complaining about your method ..


at the end of the day , WHAT REALLY MATTERS is opening that stubborn lock, then move on to the next one

just to be mean: to be able to post a 1000 post in three months doesnt
make you an expert on any topic.we are only here to help one another,newbees will always try shortcuts, with their questions , thats why this site have admin guys to sort matters out.
we all know, only after bumping and raking ( the easy way out) the art is pin by pin picking, that is what seperate the man from the boys so to speak.

and yes i am still half boy half man, trying to fight my way for a spot in the sun, still not mastering pin by pin picking on certain locks.,although in years i am to old to die young. ha-ha.

fanie

[globallockytoo]

In my opinion, bumping is another picking method, although not in the classically accepted manner.

If it can be used to success by trained professionals to enhance their repertoire of skills then more power to them.

I think that one of the foremost reasons, bumping was not made public before, was to attempt to protect the marketplace from the true knowledge of just how insecure their mainstream locks actually are.

Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is debateable. In my opinion, the ensuing publicity that has occurred since first releasing the videos about bumping for free access by anyone, is grossly irresponsible and I understand why the lock manufacturing industry is unhappy and generally remaining silent on the issue.

Some people, even some in this forum, think that bumping is not picking...I used to think the same...but when it comes down to brass tacks...it is just another form of manipulating a pin tumbler cylinder, which is precisely what using conventional pick tools is too.

[Shrub]

Theres a poll floating around somewhere, it seems most people think bumping and picking are 2 differant things, i see it as a bypass instead of picking,
But each to their own of course,

[freakparade3]

In my opinion, if someone has it in their head to break into a house they are going to do it. Wether by bumping the lock or kicking the door or breaking a window. If someone thinks the reward is greater than the risk of going to prison then they will take the chance. In the wrong hands pretty much any tool can be used for breakins. What bothers me is a news report that I saw that said in many cases insurance companies won't pay claims for bumped locks because their is no proof the door was locked to start with. I don't know if this is true, but I don't believe it's a common problem. Bottom line, if you are a criminal who uses a bump key to steal, please lock the door when you leave so your victims can get their stuff replaced.

[Johnny P]

One reason, albeit too late, to move bumping to the advance forums is to remember that computers exist in prisons also and therefore, prisoners have access to the internet.

Say we have more than a few punks who are in prison for kicking in doors to ply their nefarious trade and got caught. Now, being thugs, thy don't want to take the time to learn how to properly pick a lock, but now look at all the videos and instructions on how to make a set of bumpn keys?

I wonder how many of these thugs will be getting out of the gray bar hotel in the near future and learn the new techniques they have learned on the internet - namely bumping.

As to who first took the news of bumping and other lock bypass methods to the press, I hate to tell you all, but Matt Blaze and mainly Mark Tobias.

JohnnyP

[Lucky1406]

I'm fairly certain that in prisons, there are restrictions as to which sites they are allowed access to. And I wouuld think that lock picking or bumping would be one of those off-limit sites.
nick

[Bud Wiser]

First of all I think many have missed the OP's main point!

"I believe that there is too much time given to bumping of locks.."

which I also described as "running with bumping" later on the thread. I got his point!

I don't think the discussion should be how useful it is or is it picking or bypass, the topic was concerning are we giving too much time to bumping, not who's to blame for it or the media. But speaking of, I wouldn't say Matt Blaze or Mark Tobias were the main contributors for the media. I think Toool should take the rightful credit for that, and I can not think of another person besides Barry Wels who has done more to educate the public about bumping.

But back on topic, I think we need some volunteers to get all the bumping posts and threads wed have here and put them all together either in the advanced forums or a dedicated forum here. As it is it's a mess! If it was in one place then you know where to look or not to look.

Personally I agree we spend way too much time on bumping, which was what I meant when I aid we are running with it. I really don't care if you want to call it picking, bypass, or what ever. At least put it all in one section would be my suggestion.

One final comment.

Johnny, people in prison are paying for their crimes. It does not mean they will return to crime when they get out. Take me for example, I have not killed another person since I got out of prison for manslaughter. I am totally rehabilitated. I hardly ever think about killing now, accept when I hear people say mean things about cons

[UWSDWF]

One reason, albeit too late, to move bumping to the advance forums is to remember that computers exist in prisons also and therefore, prisoners have access to the internet.

Say we have more than a few punks who are in prison for kicking in doors to ply their nefarious trade and got caught. Now, being thugs, thy don't want to take the time to learn how to properly pick a lock, but now look at all the videos and instructions on how to make a set of bumpn keys?

I wonder how many of these thugs will be getting out of the gray bar hotel in the near future and learn the new techniques they have learned on the internet - namely bumping.

As to who first took the news of bumping and other lock bypass methods to the press, I hate to tell you all, but Matt Blaze and mainly Mark Tobias.

JohnnyP

where are they getting the keys and the files?

[Lucky1406]

He was talking about after they get out of jail,

I wonder how many of these thugs will be getting out of the gray bar hotel in the near future and learn the new techniques they have learned on the internet - namely bumping.

not when they are still in jail,
Nick