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Lock Modding: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Check it out!

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Lock Modding: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Check it out!

Postby Schuyler » 1 Nov 2006 0:54

DIY CHECK PIN:

So, friends, Romans, theoretical female members:

Once I finished up my first lock modification, I started brainstorming more. I've got four I want to make happen in total, so far. This is the second.

OK:

I'd say that it's interesting to note that my final product performs in a dramatically different way than my original concept. This is, specifically, because I did not drill appropriately. I had intended for the existence of the keyblank to keep the check pin in the right place, but when the check pin was extended into the 4th chamber (from the side) it didn't actually interact with the key, as I had drilled too high in the chamber and the cut of the key at that point was rather deep. Please read on to hear what I came up with to salvage this project.

Step 1: Pick out the right lock.
You need a nice thick housing. Most mortice locks I have in my collection work beautifully.

Step 2: Remove most of the pins.
I say most of, because it's pretty important to have the plug line up to the housing EXACTLY* (please see footnote) when you drill through. Thus - I kept the first chamber filled in order to lock the plug into place.

Step 3: Drill!
Ok, it's time to detail the first mistakes I have made in this process.

I used a drill bit. A relatively weak one, and it exploded once it reached the midpoint of the radius of the plug. I was, of course, wearing safety goggles and made it through just fine. However, I then made the additionally stupid mistake of trying to drill with the remaining section of the bit.

EXPLOSION! as you could guess.

So, like a week later, I busted out the dremel and, using a mixture of that slick little cutting ball and a titanium carbide bit, made it the rest of the way through:

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and I had drilled too high. This was very frustrating. I picked this lock because it had a mildly eccentric keyway, one I didn't have other blanks for, at the very least, but I had a key that fit it that didn't go to anything else. Anyhow, had I chosen the third chamber to fit, this would have gone fine, but unfortunately in the fourth chamber the check pin only interacts with the 4th key pin, not the blade of the key.

SO!

Step 4: Pinning the checkpin:

I repinned the check pin to hit it's sheerline when the pin in the 4th chamber was present. This isn't as cool as the previous idea, but it still has it's place. Now, if you lift the 4th pin with a pick, the checkpin will shoot into the keyway, preventing you from continuing your picking.

WHICH LED TO ANOTHER PROBLEM!

If you picked the lock, the keypin in the 4th chamber of the lock would remain up, breaching the bible of the lock, and the "driver" of the checkpin would be blocking it's end of the sheer line. Even when I inserted my key, because the blade wasn't actually interacting with the checkpin, the key pin wouldn't descend.

I fixed this like so:
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That's me cutting the spring for the checkpin.

So long as the pin stack in 4 had the dominant spring tension/strength, the checkpin would be reset just by virtue of the stack pressing down. By reducing the length of my checkpin spring, I was able to achieve this.

So, now:

Step 5: TAPE!
I used tape to secure the hole I drilled for the checkpin stack. :) 3 layers and it works like a charm. If I find myself entirely satisfied with it, I may do some light soldering, but I'll likely leave it as is.

I'm sorry this wasn't quite so visually stimulating as my last lock modification, but I've got a few other pictures which will follow, below:

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Hopefully when I finish up the other two I've got in mind (and maybe reapproach this idea) I'll put it all together in one long PDF. :)

Enjoy!
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Postby jordyh » 1 Nov 2006 2:39

Could be just me thinking this, but shouldn't you take this on as a profession?
You're getting quite good at these lock mods.

Whatever you do with your ideas: i think they're great.

yours,

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Re: Lock Modding: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Check it out!

Postby What » 1 Nov 2006 2:50

Schuyler wrote:
I repinned the check pin to hit it's sheerline when the pin in the 4th chamber was present. This isn't as cool as the previous idea, but it still has it's place. Now, if you lift the 4th pin with a pick, the checkpin will shoot into the keyway, preventing you from continuing your picking.


why not grind a small indent into the pin in the 4th chamber and then angle the cut?

can you say DIY biaxial?
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Postby globallockytoo » 1 Nov 2006 2:55

You should take a look at the Australian made Binary Plus system. It is similar to what you are trying I think.
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Postby digital_blue » 1 Nov 2006 3:28

Schuyler, another great post! Well done sir. Well done indeed!

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Postby Shrub » 1 Nov 2006 8:29

This has spurned me on to make a Yale sidebar :wink: just or fun though,
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Postby UWSDWF » 1 Nov 2006 9:09

could you post a picture of the modded key
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Postby Schuyler » 1 Nov 2006 9:43

jordyh wrote:Could be just me thinking this, but shouldn't you take this on as a profession?
You're getting quite good at these lock mods.

Whatever you do with your ideas: i think they're great.

yours,

Jordy


Thank you!

I'll tell you, I almost feel like I'm jinxing it to admit that I've thought of it. Getting into some sort of lock design, even at an entry level, would be pretty amazing to me.

What wrote:why not grind a small indent into the pin in the 4th chamber and then angle the cut?

can you say DIY biaxial?


That's actually an incredibly cool idea. I'm sketching out a design for a Medeco-style dimple lock, presently, but I may have to give that a shot as well...

globallockytoo wrote:You should take a look at the Australian made Binary Plus system. It is similar to what you are trying I think.


Thank you! I've just read the basics now and glanced at an exploded view of one. I was of the assumption that this was pseudo-common, but I genuinely believe one of my ideas to come is entirely unique :D Thanks again for the information, I don't believe I would have found it without you!

digital_blue wrote:Schuyler, another great post! Well done sir. Well done indeed!

db


Thanks! More to come, and I also want to do a series of lock prototypes, but the only material I have available to me is wood :P but, for proof of concept, I think wood will do just fine.

Shrub wrote:This has spurned me on to make a Yale sidebar :wink: just or fun though,


Hehe, I'm yet to disassemble something with a sidebar in it, but I'm jonesing for the opportunity. If for no other reason, than to emulate it later on. :D

UWSDWF wrote:could you post a picture of the modded key


I actually didn't have to modify the key at all for this, but I think a picture of the key would be useful anyhow, to demonstrate where I could have/should have placed the hole to begin with. When I get home this evening I will attend to that.
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Postby Schuyler » 1 Nov 2006 9:53

I forgot to include my footnote!

Dang-it!

OK -

2 things on the drilling I intended to mention later on, but forgot to.

1 - I think it would be very interesting to create a "relocking" mechanism, by which the hole in the plug and the hole in the housing don't like up when the lock is at rest, but rather they line up when the lock has turned 30-45 degrees, not that it would be difficult to pick at this point, especially with only 1 pin, but it would be fun to see if I could make it work.

2 - The use of the ball tipped drill was very important, as this allowed me to have a slightly tapered hole. I was concerned that if allowed to fully enter the keyway, the checkpin would not be able to be reset by key or the descent of the 4th keypin. If I had my druthers I would have simply carved out a warding that allowed it to rest on the far edge of the keyway without becoming stuck there, but I had to work with what I had available, and, inspecting the warding at the place I drilled, I believe I made the right, or at least, the reasonably cautious decision.

That does not, however, mean that it's the solution I would have preferred. I'd say that, all in all, this was a project of constant compromises, but I learned a great deal in the process.
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Postby What » 1 Nov 2006 10:16

Schuyler wrote:
What wrote:why not grind a small indent into the pin in the 4th chamber and then angle the cut?

can you say DIY biaxial?


That's actually an incredibly cool idea. I'm sketching out a design for a Medeco-style dimple lock, presently, but I may have to give that a shot as well...


too late, medeco already has one: here
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Postby Schuyler » 1 Nov 2006 10:21

ooooo

I love it! Still, I'll likely try to make one, I'm of the impression that building a similar lock out of wood in the privacy of my home won't violate their patent :P and it should be fun to see if I can recreate the turning effect on a relatively flat surface.
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Postby Schuyler » 1 Nov 2006 10:24

Harumph!

I wish they had created the exploded view in a vector format so I could get my zoom on. :(
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Postby Lucky1406 » 1 Nov 2006 11:33

So I feel stupid asking this, since everyone else seems to know, but what exactly are you trying to mod the lock to do? Is this like adding a side bar? I'm just missing what your goal is. thanks,
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Postby UWSDWF » 1 Nov 2006 11:40

a check pin is kinda like a side bar but its not...
blaze explains it when talking about the everest

http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/everest/

read it and it will explain schalges reasoning....

but asides this it does provid extra security to the lock
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Postby UWSDWF » 2 Nov 2006 9:29

Schuyler wrote:
UWSDWF wrote:could you post a picture of the modded key


I actually didn't have to modify the key at all for this, but I think a picture of the key would be useful anyhow, to demonstrate where I could have/should have placed the hole to begin with. When I get home this evening I will attend to that.


I'm waiting still
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