Help w/ understanding locks tumbler locks in general

[highflow_ind]

im really new to all this and was just wondering looking at the diagrams why is it not possible to force both the lower pin and top pin up past the shear line and still have the plug turn?

thnx in advance and sry for what'll seem like a dumb question to yall

[melvin2001]

the combined length of the spring, driver pin, and lower pin is longer then the length of the space above the sheer line. plus it would be hard to get a pick into a position where you could push it up that far anyway, even though someone would make a tool that could do it eventually if it was possible.

[What]

there are tools that can do this, but this site is about the hobby of lockpicking, not about bypassing locks.

[plot]

There may be tools for doing it, but it distroys the lock in the process... and I doubt the tools were be very affective on most locks.

[Shrub]

It works on some select locks,

As said on most locks the combined height of the pin stack is too much to do this,

Also as said it damages the lock in that it over compresses the springs,

Tools are available to an extent but most are home made, a well know padlock range opens very easily useing this technique for example,

Useing this tool or explaining it more is not talked about on the public site,

[nezumi]

there are tools that can do this, but this site is about the hobby of lockpicking, not about bypassing locks.

The tool manages to compress the spring enough to fit both pins past the shear line?? Or does it actually break the frame somehow? (Not that I care in how to use them, it just seems a little crazy to me... I'm imagining a teeny, tiny pneumatic jack in there.

[Shrub]

Useing this tool or explaining it more is not talked about on the public site,

Just incase you missed that bit,