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What's the hardest lock you ever reassembled?

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

What's the hardest lock you ever reassembled?

Postby greyman » 2 Nov 2006 8:05

I've been doing some rather annoying lock reassemblies lately like a Rielda and a masterkeyed Falcon IC cylinder (without removing the cover strip). I thought this might be a good topic to ask people what the most difficult reassembly job was for them on any type of lock.

My vote still goes to Kaba Quattro (with all 22 pins) - since I don't have the proper jig for it. I lost all the springs, etc etc. I even thought of reassembling it in a plastic bag!

Another one I had a lot of trouble with was front loading a MulTlock europrofile cylinder with all 10 (concentric) pins. That was fun too.

Over to you...
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wrong thread!!!

Postby greyman » 2 Nov 2006 8:06

Mods - please move my last post into the Got Questions thread. I have regrettably misposted :(
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Postby Shrub » 2 Nov 2006 8:55

The Kaba Gemini but theres always that simple lock in the cold, dark rain thats a pain,
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Postby mh » 2 Nov 2006 9:46

For me - Dimple locks in general. Both Kaba Gemini and Bricard Chifral - they took me ages...
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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Postby What » 2 Nov 2006 10:12

a miwa magnetic lock, i accidentally removed the plug....

took me about 4 hours to put back together....
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Postby zeke79 » 2 Nov 2006 10:14

greyman,

The rielda is actually fairly simple to assemble once you get a few tricks down and use the reset feature of the lock to your advantage. If I have a few extra minutes I will try to shoot a video for you :wink: .
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reassembly

Postby greyman » 2 Nov 2006 13:04

zeke

Looking forward to that. I think I know what you mean, but the bludger has such a light action on it that it's hard to know where and what's going to pop out. I guess there's no god because if there was he'd have given me a third hand :)
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Postby linty » 2 Nov 2006 18:10

some engraving key motorcycle saddle bag type thing made by bmw had the most annoying springs ever. to do it effectively i'm pretty sure the factory workers who assemble these must be modified to have 4 arms, each ending in a myriad of tiny steel projections.
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Postby illusion » 3 Nov 2006 10:03

I had to put q Fichet clicker safe lock back together a while ago, complete with the ' lever lock... not a fun day!
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Re: reassembly

Postby zeke79 » 7 Nov 2006 1:53

greyman wrote:zeke

Looking forward to that. I think I know what you mean, but the bludger has such a light action on it that it's hard to know where and what's going to pop out. I guess there's no god because if there was he'd have given me a third hand :)


Here it is. It was a pain in the butt as I was viewing it through a 2x4 lcd display between by legs so if more than doubled my assembly time as you can see in the vid. Also my cam is dying as you can hear by the motor noise, sorry about that.

Get it here for a few days before it is added to www.LocksportArchives.com. www.LocksportArchives.com/rieldaassy.wmv

Note for dial up users or users on a slow connection that this vid is about 400mb.
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Postby devildog » 7 Nov 2006 2:44

A Primus can be a real PITA if you've never done it before... I know zeke's gonna laugh at me, but if you've only assembled regular pin-tumblers before and you try to do a Primus with no instructions things will go sour very quickly, with irreplacable (practically irreplacable if you're not a Primus dealer) springs and finger pins going airborne and touching down in cracks and crevices never to be seen again :oops: :x
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Postby zeke79 » 7 Nov 2006 9:41

devildog wrote:A Primus can be a real PITA if you've never done it before... I know zeke's gonna laugh at me, but if you've only assembled regular pin-tumblers before and you try to do a Primus with no instructions things will go sour very quickly, with irreplacable (practically irreplacable if you're not a Primus dealer) springs and finger pins going airborne and touching down in cracks and crevices never to be seen again :oops: :x


I am not going to laugh at you. You'd be surprised how many times I rip the key out of a primus plug with only sidebar pins in only to say DOH!! after I do it :lol: .
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Postby devildog » 7 Nov 2006 12:46

Well the biggest problem with the bloody things is that the springs are so small (esp. the two that push on the sidebar) that if you lose them you're screwed, i.e. you can't find them anywhere to replace them.
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Postby devildog » 7 Nov 2006 12:49

When I say you can't find them I meant no one sells springs anywhere near that small, not that you can't find them on the floor after they've flown off into space (although this is true too).
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Postby VashTSPD » 7 Nov 2006 17:34

could you get small springs from a smaller padlock such as a cheap master lock? just a thought..
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