handcuffs

[TheGingerBreadman]

I Picked a set of Double lockin S&W Hinge cuffs. I use a Safety pin. I cant pick with a Bobby pin. You can shim These with GREAT effort, Pickin is faster and easier. Yeah Pickin yer cuffs and makin a bail for it juss sounds Dumb, You aint gettin away and Dogs Run Fast. I do get a Kick out of pickin cuffs as an Exibition

[Lucky1406]

I have a pair of ASP cuffs, that I can excape from in under 30seconds from behind my back, with palms facing away from eachother. Under a minute if its double locked (though, I can turn my wrist inside the cuffs, no matter how tight they are, that makes it easier). I just use one of those really small bobby pins. The small ones fit inside the keyway great, and I can open them in under two seconds when they are infront of me. And I can do it under ten seconds if they are double locked. These types of locks are really not that hard at all. I haven't gotten my hands on S&W yet, But I'll let ya'll know when I get a pair.
Nick

Hope I didn't get too advanced, if I did, feel free to remove post. I tried not to use any details.
Nick

[Lucky1406]

So, I was looking at the GOTCHA handcuff site:
http://www.betterhandcuffs.com/html/products.html
Halfway down, they state this:
Our 900 Series High Security Restraints have a lifetime replacement warranty against any defects including rust or corrosion. They are simply the best restraints on the market.
To date after repeated attempts by hundreds of officers and prisoners alike:
NO ONE has been able to pick or jimmy these restraints open.

Now this sounds like a challenge to me. Does anyone have these cuffs? and can they pick them? I can pick the ASP police cuffs in seconds, single and double locked. I'm thinking about ordering a set just to see if they can be picked. I'm thinking that Toool should be told about this, and see if they want to try and pick it.
Nick

[Stray]

I would love to try but at 50$ US... pffff
I could buy a decent pick set with that money. Plus at that price I doubt you would ever have to be put in a situation where you need to get out of them.... unless your GF finally decided that she was sick with you picking your way out of "punnishment" lol.

[JackNco]

Why not contact them and say you think you can meat the challenge. and say u have posted on here that you have ask them if they will rise to the challenge. i know its just a forum. but its the largest picking/locksmith forum ive found

John - The silent member thats still learning

[Lucky1406]

I left them a message, but they havent called me back yet.
in looking at these cuffs, the pin itself must be turned by the key. normally that would mean that you could use needle nose pliers, but the keyway is too small. Can anyone think of a way to turn a little piece of medal inside a small space? not using a key of course. And by only using normal materals at hand. Not using keys that you made at home of course. But something more jerry-rigged. Let me know if anyone has any ideas.
thanks
Nick

[d_goldsmith]

That's pretty vague. A million things come to mind. Nails, windshield wiper blades, street sweeper wire, spokes, and make them like the key? I think I must have misunderstood the question.

[Lucky1406]

Well, when looking at the design, you would need something pretty specific to use, but I dont want the company saying that I just created a copy of the key, I'm trying to come up with some way to open the cuffs with out just making another key-alike. And with the way the keyway works, nails, or windshield wiper blades, or sweeper wire. etc.., are made, none of them will work in the conventional way that you would use them on hand cuffs. the locking mechanism is different. hmm... this may be harder than I thought. maybe I shouldn't have left that message, lol
Nick

[d_goldsmith]

Well maybe they way you prove they are wrong is by showing them how you can make a key. And even better would be showing them how easy it is to make such key, if that's the case.

[Lucky1406]

true, that would be the way to do it. But it would really be good if you could make it all from materials from inside a jail cell. That would put a sock in their mouths. Though, I really dont want that information reaching the criminals. lol
Nick

[Stray]

well they specifically say that if they are double locked the cuff can't be picked. which means it is possible to pick when not double locked, which means anything that can overcome the springs "push" (detent spring) would probably be able to open them.

Problem is you can't trust a picture posted on their website to tell you exactly how it works....

They say a few things can't be used to open it. a plastic pen isn't strong enough, and you can't open it by hitting it.

So if I disregard what they say my first attempt would be to use a pen that fits in the hole as a key but first i'd preheat the pen and wrap it with thread around the usable side then heat it and mold it to the key hole. The thread might be just enough to keep the pen from cracking.

If that doesn't work try a combination of the pen and bumping (assuming drawing is ok) you attempt to turn your key while you give the cuff a nice swift hit on something hard. (It may not completely move the detent spring, but may decrease its "push" on the cam.


Until I have a set infront of me, these are guesses, and probably don't work.


Also would need a pair to see what the open spaces are and whether or not there is enough room to completely bypass the gear wheel with some sort of feeler.

[Paul]

Since I myself am looking to go into the law enforcement profession I have a lot of friends who are police officers, federal agents, ect. I've played with quite a few handcuffs and even have a set of my own that was a gift from a retired officer, and were his duty handcuffs for years (made by American Handcuff Company).

I've noticed a lot of the newer cuffs are resistant to shimming with little catches and divots designed to stop an object from getting between the ratcheting mechanism. However, my personal set and a few sets I've played with (all real, working duty, handcuffs) can be bypassed using the shim method. So, I'm guessing how susceptible to bypassing they are depends on the brand and possibly price, which goes to show, "you get what you pay for".

Also, I've shown this to every LEO I know and most of them know about it already (and have clearly demonstrated it's very hard to do when handcuffed properly), one officer even told me he's heard of people getting out of cuffs using the seatbelt tab in the back of Crown Vics, but he wasn't exactly sure how it's done. Just so you guys know, Police are generally aware of this and know what to look for.

[JackNco]

Just ordered some second hand S&W 100 series cuffs, lets see how i get on with these