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 by maxxed » 18 Nov 2006 19:17
greyman wrote:OK, wise guys  What's this? 
I'll try Chrysler ignition
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by mh » 19 Nov 2006 1:58
n2oah wrote:It looks like a lock that you screw out.
No, that's not it. It's not a 'thread' like a helix, just 5 circular millings.
Keep guessing  "The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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by What » 19 Nov 2006 3:59
i saw that lock of yours posted up on here some place mh, i just cant remember what it is.... 
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by greyman » 19 Nov 2006 17:42
It's not a car lock.
Hey, mh - I like that lock you posted but I don't know what it is. It looks like some kind of front loading two-axis wafer lock, like it would have wafers going both up/down and cross ways. I'm waiting to find out...
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by greyman » 21 Nov 2006 18:58
No takers? OK, time for a clue - it's French.
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by unbreakable » 21 Nov 2006 19:19
Fichet 480?
Never seen the inside of one......
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by unbreakable » 21 Nov 2006 19:25
Yikes!
Just found a breakdown of one, its not a 480 for sure 
Is it a Bramah something?
Can't remember if they're French or not....
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by n2oah » 21 Nov 2006 21:37
[quote="unbreakable"]Yikes!
Just found a breakdown of one, its not a 480 for sure
Is it a Bramah something?
Can't remember if they're French or not....[/qu
Yup, it's definetly not a 480, and nope, it isn't a bramah. (check out matt blaze's article on bramah, it's really neat) "Lockpicking is what robbing is all about!" says Jim King.
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by greyman » 22 Nov 2006 16:44
You're close on the Fichet but not the 480. Bramah is British, about as British as you can get!
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by zeke79 » 22 Nov 2006 17:29
Fichet 666a is my final answer greyman. 
BTW, I am 99% sure mh's lock posted is an older generation evva mcs. For the best book out there on high security locks and their operation, take a look at amazon.com for High-Security Mechanical Locks An Encyclopedic Reference. Written by our very own site member Greyman! A true 5 Star read!!
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by What » 22 Nov 2006 23:05
mh wrote:No idea about the sidebar. But what's this, and why is it machined this way?  mh
HA i found it! it is the BELL LOCK, and the reason why is: The plug (on the right) has *two sets* of wafers that stick out of the plug while no or the wrong key is inserted. One set of (5) wafers fits to one side of the keys I have, and it interacts with the 4 sets of cuts in the housing that you can see as an off-centered "cross". (From this you can also see that the key can be removed in 2 positions, 0 and 90 degrees.)
However, the other set of (4) wafers does not fit to the other side of the keys. But I can still turn the plug, because the housing has cuts all around in the layers where these wafers are. So this second set of wafers does not block the plug from rotation.
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by zeke79 » 22 Nov 2006 23:30
Ah, well that one was not the one I was referring to in my post. If it is the bell lock congrats on your research . For the best book out there on high security locks and their operation, take a look at amazon.com for High-Security Mechanical Locks An Encyclopedic Reference. Written by our very own site member Greyman! A true 5 Star read!!
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by What » 22 Nov 2006 23:39
i was answering his post as to what the lock was....
not yours. 
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by mh » 23 Nov 2006 1:28
What wrote:HA i found it! it is the BELL LOCK, and the reason why is: The plug (on the right) has *two sets* of wafers that stick out of the plug while no or the wrong key is inserted. One set of (5) wafers fits to one side of the keys I have, and it interacts with the 4 sets of cuts in the housing that you can see as an off-centered "cross". (From this you can also see that the key can be removed in 2 positions, 0 and 90 degrees.)
However, the other set of (4) wafers does not fit to the other side of the keys. But I can still turn the plug, because the housing has cuts all around in the layers where these wafers are. So this second set of wafers does not block the plug from rotation.
found here
Yep. Congratulations!
I found this mechanism quite interesting, as a master keying approach - the second set of wafers allows the plug to be pushed in when they are set correctly (there's a strong spring behind the plug), and then the plug can be turned freely...
mh "The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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by mh » 23 Nov 2006 1:31
zeke79 wrote:mh wrote:And here's my contribution:  Now what's that? Cheers, mh
Old style evva mcs.
Of course you were right. Just forget to mention that...
Congrats
Cheers,
mh
BTW, I had loved to show off a NEW style EVVA MCS, just couldn't acquire one at a decent price yet... "The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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