Falle picks?

by **flaming jag** » 18 Nov 2006 19:59

i was wondering how the falle curve picks match against standard hook or feeler picks? Are they harder to use or even worth purchasing?

thanks in advance

by **dmux** » 18 Nov 2006 20:28

i like them but they are just a tool like any other tool it all depends on the user.

you can go to websites and read that they are the best picks ever thought of but all in all, barry wels and his hope pickset could outpick about anyone with falles,

yea their nice, are they worth it, i dont think so, they are nothing special but they are like 250 dollars

by **Romstar** » 18 Nov 2006 22:21

I've had a long running disagreement with John Falle's philosophy concerning that picks set.

I will say that they are brilliently thought out, and extremely well made. I just don't believe in his "diamonds are useless" theory, nor do I believe in the number of curves he has in that set.

Bear in mind, that many of the picks just quite simply WON'T work in some locks. The keyway is too restrictive.

Other people feel that his tension tools are amazing, while again I feel that while they are good, they are gimicky.

Have I copied his tools? Yes I have, will I sell copies of his tools? Yes I will.

The reason is simple, some people find those picks better than anything else, and for them, that's all that matters.

Romstar

by **Gordon Airporte** » 18 Nov 2006 23:02

I personally use a Falle deep curve as my go-to pick (where others would use a hook or a diamond.) Some of the shapes in the set are pretty extreme though, and I suspect they were made for fairly specific locks, so there are only a few shapes I think would get any regular use.
Now the various tension tools that come in the set are supposed to be quite nice, too.

by **flaming jag** » 19 Nov 2006 17:09

i'll make some out of hacksaw bades and check how useful they are. thanks for the info. cheers

by **Shrub** » 20 Nov 2006 10:11

I took mine to the dutch open and the first person to look at them had to wipe the dust off lol

I dont like them, bought them for the sake of it and dont use them,

The other thing is for such an expensive set you would have thought the finish would be better and not have to start attacking them with a grinder to de-burr them,

Its the same with all tools, some will like them some wont, some will have great success with the expensive tools and others will simply use cheap tols to great effect,

by **LockNewbie21** » 21 Nov 2006 0:23

I agree with Rom and Shrub, Falle and make tools i will never be able to make.

But... it is over rated, they don't even look comfortable.

Also the curve's, please, a hook with a ball fulcrum on it will suffice, maybe 3 diffrent angle's and your set.

I do like the L-rakes, even though i can;t tell you the last time i raked a lock i like how he made three to conform with diffrent stack set up's.

The wrenches are ehhh when the peterson flat 5's (which anyone could make) work excellent.

But I will never doubt his abilities, surely one of the best.

by **Jason13** » 3 Dec 2006 14:16

Locknewbie i made some Nice falle picks a while back i think it was 4 i made i will try get a hold of the links.

Trust me Man if i can make falle picks anyone can :lol:

by **Jason13** » 3 Dec 2006 14:28

Theese are about as Falle picks can get i believe :wink:

Not to brag alot but i think this deserves a cookie :lol:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8684/dsc002412iu.jpg

by **LockNewbie21** » 3 Dec 2006 14:39

Good stuff mate

by **Jason13** » 4 Dec 2006 1:56

Dam edit button lol

*theese are as good as falle picks can get i believe*

There better lol

by **lockjaw** » 5 Dec 2006 0:55

you can go to websites and read that they are the best picks ever thought of but all in all, barry wels and his hope pickset could outpick about anyone with falles,

The HOPE Pick Set is like a cutdown version of the Falle Basic Pick Set. The picks in the HOPE Set are essentially the same as the Falle picks except they have slots cut into the handles. HOPE and Falle differ mainly in size (Falle is a much larger set) and tension wrench style (Falle has tradition 'L' shaped tension wrenches and the unique dual-pronged variety; HOPE has flat Peterson style wrenches).

See http://www.toool.nl/blackbag/images/hope-six-picks.jpg

See
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-deep-curve.jpg
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-graduated-curve.jpg
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-progressive-curve.jpg
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-thin-curve.jpg
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-rakes.jpg

Barry Wels -- like John Falle -- prefers hooks, fingers and rakes and his kits include all of these pick types. AFAIK, the HOPE -- like the Falle set -- set does not include the half diamond, half circle, full circle or double circle.

Barry Wels is a great picker as is John Falle. I'm sure either could out-pick most people using any style of pick. I don't understand the impertinence that is displayed towards John Falle and his picks on this forum. If the Falle Set sucks then so too does the HOPE Set -- the HOPE picks are based (or at least heavily influenced by the Falle picks).

by **gostone** » 5 Dec 2006 1:11

Are the hope picks commercially available?
I was going to buy a set of Falle safe picks this week.

by **zeke79** » 5 Dec 2006 1:14

lockjaw wrote:
you can go to websites and read that they are the best picks ever thought of but all in all, barry wels and his hope pickset could outpick about anyone with falles,

The HOPE Pick Set is like a cutdown version of the Falle Basic Pick Set. The picks in the HOPE Set are essentially the same as the Falle picks except they have slots cut into the handles. HOPE and Falle differ mainly in size (Falle is a much larger set) and tension wrench style (Falle has tradition 'L' shaped tension wrenches and the unique dual-pronged variety; HOPE has flat Peterson style wrenches).

See http://www.toool.nl/blackbag/images/hope-six-picks.jpg

See
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-deep-curve.jpg
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-graduated-curve.jpg
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-progressive-curve.jpg
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-thin-curve.jpg
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/picks/s-falle-rakes.jpg

Barry Wels -- like John Falle -- prefers hooks, fingers and rakes and his kits include all of these pick types. AFAIK, the HOPE -- like the Falle set -- set does not include the half diamond, half circle, full circle or double circle.

Barry Wels is a great picker as is John Falle. I'm sure either could out-pick most people using any style of pick. I don't understand the impertinence that is displayed towards John Falle and his picks on this forum. If the Falle Set sucks then so too does the HOPE Set -- the HOPE picks are based (or at least heavily influenced by the Falle picks).

Sorry, the progressive style hook is the peterson reach tool.

The others however were designed by Barry and his team.

You can find similar hooks in petersons DCAP set, but some hooks are Barry's own design.

This I know for a fact. I own all sets, Petersons, falles, hope 6 sets too. They are all different. :wink:

by **lockjaw** » 5 Dec 2006 1:15

Bear in mind, that many of the picks just quite simply WON'T work in some locks. The keyway is too restrictive.

You can find a pick in any set that won't fit inside a particular key way. Most of the HPC picks don't fit inside (Australian) Lockwood padlocks. So what? I'm sure John Falle is intelligent enough to have designed his tools with a particular (European) cylinder in mind. What's the likelihood that that one of the world's pre-eminent covert entry specialists and lock decoder tool inventors created a pick that doesn't fit in any lock?

Other people feel that his tension tools are amazing, while again I feel that while they are good, they are gimicky.

I don't agree with the notion that the Falle tension tools are "gimicky". The click/pop of a setting pin is amplified by the Falle tension tools presumably because there is so much contact between the plug and the tool and because the torque is being evenly applied to the plug (so you get a better click anyway).

I have used Peterson, SouthOrd, HPC, Southern Specialties, Rytan, and Majestic tension tools and none amplify and transmit the percussion of the setting pin like the Falle tension wrenches. I find that when I am fatigued and not as perceptive and patient as normal I often fail when I attempt an intermediate level cylinder using regular tension tools (eg. SouthOrd twist-flex). Changing only my tension tool to the Falle and using the same pick (SouthOrd slimline small hook or Peterson Slender Gem) I can repeatedly open the lock without fail because of the superior feedback.

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